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Only because he can't do anything else. The man is friends with Bill Ayers and went to Jeremiah Wright's church.
Lol ya right.
Change you can Believe in.
For once a campaign slogan that wasn't bs. Have any of y'all read Obamas autobiography? I have and he makes it very clear who his mentors were and who he respects. You can say no he's not the S word but his own words and actions prove otherwise. He said he was going to change America and he is. Now in his second term he can try to push through his most radical changes because he will never run for election again. I expect him to continue using Executive Orders at record pace and ram through as much as possible. Something will happen on the gun laws front. He's already stated he would do so by any means necessary.
"We're modern-day gladiators, and that mental toughness is really important to have in a good team." Nick Saban
Believe what you want to. Obama is not a radical.
If you want to ignore reality then fine.
The reality is nothing radical has yet to happen under Obama's tenure. More and more it just sounds like you have an inherent fear of the government.
Some healthcare reform? Seriously?
Obamacare is socialized health care. The government is controlling the means of production. They are deciding who pays what. Now republicans watered it down and fought for some freedom within the system but if Obama would have had his way it would have been a single payer system. And I'm sure it will end up that way in the future.
It's been 4 plus years and we've yet to really see anything like what you're suggesting.
Obama may be more liberal than he acts at heart, but he has an astute political acumen. He isn't going to try anything close to what you seem to fear.
There is a difference between what you believe and what you think the rest of the country should do. Obama may have very liberal beliefs but it isn't something he would try to impose on the American people. That is the distinction you are missing.
This post was edited by joetheogre 12 months ago
He would if he could. But he can't so it's an incremental approach, the Dems are playing the long game.
No I don't have a link for you this is my opinion.
If people would've just voted for Gary Johnson like I did...
To each his own. I disagree though.
Liberals are much less committed to their ideology than conservatives are for the most part. They have no "Master Plan" because they change their platform every ten years or so based on changing knowledge. Of the two parties, conservatives have much more "fervor" about what they believe and seem more willing to make personal beliefs a public policy.
Take an issue like gay marriage. Make no mistake, Obama has been pro-marriage equality since high school. However, he had no interest in making it a policy issue until the last 2 or 3 years when most Americans began to agree with him. Most liberals are like him in this regard, and easily separate personal views and policy goals. Conservatives are less likely to separate the two.
tl;dr Obama has the good sense to separate personal belief from public policy and therefore doesn't have a master plan to bring everyone to his point of view.
I would argue that the liberal platform has been pretty consistent since the 60s at least. And that the reason liberal politicians haven't been so bold about their beliefs in the past was that this was still a pretty conservative country and they feared it would scare off too many voters. Liberal politicians take much bolder left wing stances now than even a decade ago. There is no denying that this country, much to my dismay, is becoming more liberal and I think it's because of an incremental introduction of liberal policies and ideas over time.
Not necessarily and master plan formulated by guys sitting in a room, but one that has been implemented as I think the left fully realizes the success of this strategy and is careful not to go too far too fast in any given arena. It's worked brilliantly, but I think had the left come out publicly say 20 years ago with what they really wanted there would be very few of them now. Just like I think if they came out and really advocated for single payor healthcare, or gun bans today, they would be screwed even though that is really the ultimate goal they are smart enough to not go there just yet.
As opposed to creating your own?
Brilliant rebuttal. They way you went through my opinion on all this point by point and tore it all apart was magnificent. Well done sir.
Deal with it
How else would you have me respond? You've made it quite clear that your paranoia is far reaching and all encompassing. You admit you have no evidence to support your wild claims, yet you continue to believe in some vast liberal conspiracy, that according to you dates back to the 60's, whose sole purpose is to rob you of your liberty and your guns. All this, because you've heard some radio host spout this shit ad nauseum for years, or because you read it on some bat-shit crazy blog. You can't seriously discuss any important issues with this kind of dogmatic crazy.
"Liberal politicians take much bolder left wing stances now than even a decade ago."
Uh... Gay marriage? Pot decriminalization? Immigration?
Gay marriage, most Dems wouldn't touch it ten years ago. No way 40 would have voted for that gun bill yesterday either.
Look you really don't know what you are talking about. I stated that I didn't think it was a conspiracy per se but rather a result if the very intentional methodology in which liberals present themselves and ideas in a given period of time.
Liberals flat out don't tell the whole truth about what their real motives and intentions are much of the time. This gun debate is an example Obamacare is another.
Look you guys are winning its working for you, don't be so upset though that some of us realize just how conniving your side of the aisle is. Enjoy you parade of victories.
This post was edited by TroyTide 12 months ago
Gay marriage- Vermont became the first to recognize same-sex unions in 2000
Decriminalization of marijuana- 1991 San Francisco allows medical patients access to marijuana 1998, Oregon 1999, Maine
2000-Nevada and Colorado also pass marijuana initiatives. Hawaii passes medical legislation.
Immigration- I'd hardly call that a left issue. Reform would not be possible without republicans.
Vermont recognized same-sex unions in 2000 Massachusetts recognized gay marriage in 2004. 10 years ago we had an assault weapons ban so again and not surprisingly you're wrong.
Here we go again. More wildly unfounded theories.
I'm not upset, I've no reason to be. I'm the majority. Enjoy your paranoid existence.
Um, so you are using San Francisco, Oregon and Vermont as your examples?
Why argue just to argue? This is moronic.
Please explain to me Bill Clinton's stance on gay marriage today vs the 90's.
The liberal platform (if there ever really was one) hasn't changed. But there are many issues that can be openly debated and endorsed today that 15 years ago would have been political suicide.
This post was edited by brem22 12 months ago
A little thick are we?
You use liberal states as your examples when we are clearly talking national politics here. Damn man, lol.
Same-sex unions in Vermont don't happen without liberal political support. Marijuana decriminalization doesn't happen in Colorado or Nevada or Alaska (I notice you left these states out of your response) without liberal political support.
This isn't an argument, your premise is incorrect. The majority of democratic politicians have always supported immigration, gay marriage, and the decriminalization of marijuana. If not publicly then privately. Where it was supported publicly you see progress. Take Vermont as an example, or Massachusetts in 2004. The difference is, a majority of the country also now supports all 3 of those issues allowing it to become a cohesive national debate instead of a fragmented regional discussion. The politicians haven't changed we have
you mean you don't want to give up your guns so just criminals have guns and do whatever they want?
3 time POTW, member since 2006, MLWTI: 4-3
Colorado, Nevada and Alaska are blue states? It's incredible how often you're incorrect.
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