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Sucks for yall then
funny thing is this is the best point made by an SEC fan yet... you are right sir. it does suck. but im not arguing these points as a mad nebraska fan that is scared of the SEC, bc who am i to argue this we can't even sign the minimal players we are allowed. we couldn't oversign anyone even if we tried. the point is its bad for college football. and the scholarship limits that were put into place in the 90s to "level the playing field" was clearly just another NCAA failure. shocking i know.
It is easy for SEC fans to laugh at us and make simple jokes about being butt hurt. Duh, why wouldn't they when they benefit from it. It's like the old saying goes, "you don't know what you've got..."
If the SEC wasn't afforded this recruiting advantage and the shoe was put on the other foot, the SEC would be the ones "butt hurt"
I also want to say this. There is a difference between cheating and unethical behavior. Or even playing on a level playing ground. When I talk about the SEC and oversigning, I never refer to it as cheating. I that happens feel free to call someone out. It's not cheating. It's just takin advantage of an uneven playing field. The unethical word that is thrown around can get touchy and I won't touch it. I don't know if these coaches have there players best interests mind... I hope they do. Often times I suspect they abandon a kid on the roster in order to make room for a better prospect, but who am I to know for sure?
This post was edited by beardown2489 18 months ago
Teein' Off on Links
iBR on his game tonight
Ohio St. has signed 68 the last three recruiting classes ('10-'12). They have 22 committed and also have nine rSR (from '09 class) next year, bringing their total to 99. Guess they will need to "force out" quite as few as well.
I guess you failed 5th grade math corky. OSU graduates 19 this year and three transferred. What's your excuse for 21 force outs for saban in two years?
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LULZ for using scout as a source. Apparently you don't understand what rSR is in terms of eligibility.
You realize, that according to "your source", Ohio St. has 97 on the roster (excluding the current commits) and Bama has 83. If you add in the current commits, then OSU has 119, while Bama has 103.
This post was edited by Macdaddy7930 18 months ago
Haven't looked over the stuff myself, so I won't argue with what you've presented, but I will say this: "Well, Urban Meyer does it too," is a pretty precarious argument to stand on. And from my perspective, you could demonstrate that every team in the country forces players out -- they may very well -- but it doesn't make the practice right.
All I am stating is, it's stupid hypocrisy from Ohio St. fans to believe their team isn't doing the same thing Bama does. Whether the turnover is 5 or 15, it's still turnover. My numbers are going off exactly what the Ohio St. hyprocrites use, which is signed LOI's pulled from all the same recruiting sites.
What angry doesn't understand is Scout also accounts for walk-on's in their depth chart numbers.
The 21 force outs are mythical. see previous post.
Can't stand I'm even getting looped into this, but...
I'd give alot more credence to the whole oversigning thing if half of the guys listed weren't starters and NEEDED in the year they were dismissed/transferred. The reason its so difficult to repeat is because players lack focus and feel entitled. Guys don't have to do a whole lot to be in Saban's dog house. If they're there, then they know it. See Duron Carter (a transfer). Even Chris Carter, his dad, stated that it was his sons fault and still respects Saban.
Therefore, if you have to "oversign" in order to feel good about booting guys that aren't playing by the same rules as the rest of the guys on the team, then I'm cool with it. I'll call foul if I see someone get the shaft that shouldn't get it. Call me a homer or blind if you'd like, but I just don't see guys getting screwed over.
This post was edited by VegasTide 18 months ago
UV even though I don't totally agree with you. Well argued.
Success!!! I'm pretty sure this is the first time anyone has given (even if the slightest of margins) an inch on their viewpoints regarding oversigning.
Both sides want to make the issue black and white, when it's not. I believe oversigning is bad and happens a lot of places -- some more than others. However, I can still appreciate a good point on either side.
What other logical explanation is there. They are either incompetent or hopelessly tied to a false sense of recruiting-morality.
No one has named specific examples of players who have been cut. Use Alabama or any other SEC team. Find me a player who was forced out that didn't want to leave.
I'd keep arguing, but that's the best sentence I've read all day. You win.
You are such a homer and blind.
Cannot wait for the excuses and lies to come after this response.
Three ex-Alabama players coach Nick Saban said were leaving the team because they violated some type of team rule say it was their decision to transfer. His announcement came at a time when he was under scrutiny for offering scholarships to more players than Alabama could keep.
That's the BYC for ya
Did you read the article?? Two of them admitted to wanting to transfer, one even said he was asked not to leave!!
Prince Hall said he had been suspended 3 times for violating team rules, But it was his decision to transfer that Saban tried to talk him into staying!! LMAO!
And according to the article, all four players left of their own volition. Yes, Saban lied about why, but none were forced out.
Try again. I want to hear about a guy who left involuntarily.
Didn't Lane Kiffen reject a kid's scholarship offer who was supposed to EE?
Two words. Alabama Mafia.
I know right. Amazing how some people see this. They say we cut players because they aren't any good in order to make room for more recruits. Isn't it great when we can "cut" a DL from our team and then the next year he enters the NFL draft. Man that guy must have sucked on the field and had nothing to do with the fact that he didn't follow team rules or go to class.
I'll never apologize for our system or philosophy. I understand that fans of other teams don't know how our team works or what makes it tick. Everything is so thought out and micro managed and the focus is never about the results on the field. Its all about the process of becoming a great player and person. Its absurd to me that some people think Saban could kick off the team a kid that didn't perform on the field even though he was following the process. That one act alone could cost him the teams trust and focus. Y'all act like this exists in some vacuum that the players or media never discuss. Saban has a firm grip on that team and has a players council made up of team captains that addresses all issues from player punishment to minor concerns. Its laughable that you think 21 players got cut and not one word was ever said by the players or media. Transfers are a part of football. So is getting hurt.
You do realize Alabama recruits very well right? I think you do, not sure you can admit it though. Do you understand that recruiting is about relationships and trust? You do understand that these kids you claim were pushed out have friends and coaches back at their old high schools and that those people have friends. You do realize we are recruiting kids from these same high schools.You have heard of twitter correct? Then how on earth are we still recruiting so dam well if we cut players for performance on the field? You talk about how unethical it is and how its terrible for the player that we would do such a thing. So why are they lining up to come play here? We don't have room for some five star players atm.
I think y'all realize that its your own conference's and teams philosophy that's screwed up but y'all would rather point fingers at us. Four year scholarships are a terrible idea. Do you believe in four year academic scholarships where the kid could come in and party all the time and pull a 2.5 gpa? One day the world will figure out entitlement is a bad thing. Hate to tell ya but at Bama our players strive for greatness on and off the field and if they don't and aren't following the team rules then their gone. And that means not going to class, missing team functions, getting in trouble on or off campus repeatedly, doing drugs and getting caught several times and so forth. I find it hilarious that some try to paint that in a bad light meanwhile their teams players are getting arrested, getting their team post season bans, or generally going about their college career with little focus or effort. So go ahead and bitch and cry while we sit back and enjoy dominating college football for the near future as well as having the most academic all Americans. I'd say our process works just fine.
"We're modern-day gladiators, and that mental toughness is really important to have in a good team." Nick Saban
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