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I feel like we've had this discussion before, but: So why should your view that it is unnatural stop two gay people from getting married? It's not like you have to get married to another guy. If you're worried about seeing them frolicking in public together with all their gayness, stopping them from getting married isn't going to quell that. At the end of the day, it really is a matter of what goes on in the privacy of someone's home between two consenting adults that, at the end of the day, really doesn't affect your life at all. And no offense, but spare me the "sanctity of marriage" talk because there are plenty of things not even remotely related to this issue that make the institution of marriage look bad. Or, you can take my stance, which is that when I get married, my marriage will be GREAT, and that's all that matters to me. I honestly couldn't care less about someone else's marriage. (That's a stretch—I'd care about my friends' marriages, but you get my drift).
Plus, as Daniel Tosh said: "This is what I say to the most conservative person that's so terrified of gay marriage becoming legal. Just because the state says it's legal, it's not like God's going to let them into Heaven. So you can still sleep sound every night knowing that goal line defense is up at the pearly gates going, 'You're not gettin' in here, faggots!'"
We have had this talk before....so.im just gonna let this alone
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LOL at you trying the tired Rome/America comparison
The Western Empire "fell" because of a variety of factors.
1)Several plagues wiped out large portion of the population.
2)The economy fell behind the Eastern Empire, which by that time was much richer and had larger cities.
3)The western empire also suffered from a series of military invasions from the north and extremely weak rulers played the various forces against each other, only to lose more and more political power.
4)Eventually, the Vandals made it to Africa and completely cut off Roman supply lines.This made the military unable to support itself and the various Germanic tribes assumed more and more autonomy, eventually culminating in the various successor states.
5) It didn't help that the Eastern Empire didn't give two shits about the West and actually encouraged several forces to attack them. They only attempted reconquest later in an attempt at glory.
Essentially, the Roman Empire was dissolved the same way it was created - by military force. To pretend that it was the crazy liberals has almost zero historical basis.
If anything, the later empire was much more religious and "moral" under the later Christian emperors than it was under the pagan emperors, several of whom had zero self restraint or responsibility, yet still managed to run effective empires - because they had the best army.
tl;dr the Romans fell because their army started sucking, not because of a vague concept of "liberalism" that infiltrated their government.
This post was edited by joetheogre 18 months ago
Some people will believe what they want to believe.
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