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Meechigan IMO is deserving of a top 10 ranking. Injuries aside, I think they finish 11-2.
Their schedule isn't that easy, they play 3-4 tough games plus that loss they are taking to yall in the Jerry. I see 9-10 wins for them if they keep Denard healthy, and that is a big if.
We haven't played a down of football yet, but Alabama is the defending National Champs.
"Here are provided seats of meditative joy, where shall rise again the destined reign of Troy." Virgil
It could happen, but the only potential losses (outside of Bama) I see are MSU, Nebraska, and possibly OSU, unless they are plagued by injuries.
They get MSU at home and dominated Nebraska last season; plus I think OSU is a year or two away from where they expect to be.
I thought the same thing, mostly because Bama lost so many guys on D to the NFL.
Going to be a learning curve while they get up to speed.
Funny sig pic, with BHO and Saban, btw.
And, Michigan is inexplicably ranked ahead of MSU again. It is impossible to say that Michigan truly has a better football team than MSU this year-MSU was better last year, and UM loses more this year.
That's a good way to break it down.
Two things jump out.
1- The most impressive thing about the roll the SEC has been on in the NC game the last 6 years is that it's been 4 different programs winning it, as opposed to one school on a tremendous run. I think the SEC's top to bottom strength is overrated by the media, but there's no doubt about the strength of the teams at the top.
2- The average margin of victory is higher than I would have thought, since the NC game is theoretically the two best teams in the nation. 12 points isn't a blowout, but in a vacuum, a game between the two best teams should be closer. But it clearly hasn't worked that way for a lot of these NC games featuring SEC teams. (Or USC for that matter, as OU found out the hard way.)
It's too bad the stars haven't lined up for a USC vs SEC matchup in the NC, as I think a lot of people would have liked to see it.
USC-LSU after the '03 season would have been epic.
Hopefully it's USC vs LSU or Bama in Miami in January. That would settle a lot of arguments.
I agree with you on pretty much all counts. And while I do NOT support a 16 team playoff, I've wanted 4 for a while. In the years when you had 2 undefeated power conference champs, there's really no argument about who deserves the 2 spots. However, and I'm not just picking on the Big 10, how many of those years would a 1 loss USC or Oklahoma or whoever have been superior? One thing I love about college football is the importance of the regular season, which keeps the intensity in pretty much every game. In 2006, Ole Miss would have beaten UF 1/100 times, but that was their lottery night. The same can be argued for other teams/conferences. I'm not a fan of any other school really, but I really am hoping that USC makes it through the season injury free so the depth issue doesn't come into play. The top 22-36 or so players are elite, and I really want to see Bama v. USC.
Regarding the SEC at the bottom, I even agree with that. It's the middle that's such a grind. Who gets up for Miss State or Vandy (to a lesser degree) this year? Both teams are good enough to beat you on a bad day, but don't have the horses if you're playing your B+ game or better. Ole Miss was an embarrassment last year, KY is very weak. But Bama, LSU, Arky, USCe, Georgia can all beat anyone on any given day. I really believe that UF is going to be stout (2nd year w/ coach, tons of talent). I believe UT can be really good this year if they stay healthy (9-3 or so). I really don't know what to do w/ Tamu or Mizzou yet, but they could beat you on a bad day for sure.
Score! we got some points.
For me, I've always wanted an 8 team playoff. SEC, PAC, B12 and BIG champs get autobids, with the next highest ranked champ also getting a bid (would usually be the ACC champ, but would allow for a team like Boise to get in some years). Then take the top 3 at large teams.
Would keep the regular season relevant, while insuring that no legit contender got left out of the playoff. There might be years where only six teams deserved to be in, but better to have two extra teams in than having two deserving teams left out.
Most importantly, it would settle all arguments on the field.
The four team setup will still have controversies, but it's definitely a huge improvement over what we had.
I agree that any of the teams at the bottom or middle of a conference like the SEC can bite just about anybody on their day. USC fans are all too familiar with those types of games vs teams like the Beavers.
I think the success of the top SEC teams in the NC game over the previous 5 years led a lot of media types to go overboard last year (as they so often do) and overrate the middle of the SEC- specifically the East.
Bama and LSU were obviously as good as it gets, and Arky was very solid last year.
But UGA (lost to Boise in ATL), UF (who did they beat ?) and the Vols were all mediocre- certainly not in Bama and LSU's league.
That's the biggest story to me about the SEC right now- the difference in strength between the SEC West and SEC East.
You'd think from a lot of media types that the the SEC was equally strong across the board, but the West is much much stronger, and ironically, the best team in the East (the Cocks) seems to be the one team the media never talks too much about.
It's going to be interesting to see what the AP poll shows when it comes out.
I would have had the Gamecocks and Arky higher and UGA lower than how the coaches ranked them.
Arky higher, they don't even have a coach.
He knows the players and the system well, and they've got a lot of talent and leadership coming back.
Geting Davis back is a big plus for them.
I definitely think they're better than UGA. But I guess we will see.
see where 5 SEC teams were shown alot of love w/ two others getting a bone thrown their way . imo, Tennessee wins 8+ in 2012 and steals a bone from one or both of the bottom two .
* USC's offense could get them into the NCG if their D can get under the 25-30 ppg allowed range, but i can see #3 to start.
* FSU seems to have far to many "if's" to get a Top 10 nod but they are in the ACC & have a putrid-soft slate.
* Oklahoma #4 ? schedule could help if the defense & running game gets off the bus this year .
* Georgia ? talk about an easy slate, the Dawgs should win double digit games but USCe will win the East in 2012 (SC,Ga,Tn) .
* A&M / Aub winner will squeak into the Top 25 at years end (4th in the SEC West) .
The top 5 is correct, I would change the order though of 1.USC 2. LSU 3. Alabama 4. Oklahoma 5.Oregon. I think Michigan is a little high at 8 but they are coming off a BCS win and are the B1G favorites plus they play Bama in week 1. Michign St is a little high at 13. They lost most of thier offense. The first poll really doesn't matter though, its usually a popularity contest.
Not saying USC's defense is quite on par with Bama, LSU, or FSU, but they are still much better than you give them credit for. They gave up 23.6 a game last year and should be down in the 17-21 range this year IYAM.
I agree. Michigan St should be maybe slightly ahead of Michigan, IMO. Maybe at 10 or 11 with Michigan at 12-15.
i should re-phrase my take on Trojans D.
if USC can hold anyone of worth under 30 ....
SEC's year end finish overall for 2012.
4.Arky / Georgia
7.A&M / Aub winner
No problems with anything you said, except I think the season is long enough for the players. (8 would be okay, but I'd rather sea the reg season cut back to 11 games) I believe the middle of the SEC is a lot stronger this year than last, but that's just my opinion based on getting healthy, experience, etc.
One thing on UGA. Make no mistake ever about them...they have as much talent on that team as USC, Bama, and LSU. Trust me. Okay, so maybe not at every position, but seriously. They have a VERY nice man as a head coach, but he's very weak. They're never mentally tough. They've out-talented UF probaly 45% of the time over the last 2 decades, but they've beaten them maybe 3 times in 20 years. They wear black for their big games. When they wear black and you beat them like a drum, it takes 2 years for their psyche to recover.
My whole point is, if things go their way early and they get confident and aren't left on the field for long drives, UGA can beat anybody. If things start going against them, they crumple like a used condom. (Check out the 1st vs. 2nd halves of the SECCG). I only say this because I believe they were far superior to Boise physically, but Boise is a tough bunch of kids that took it to them. They're good too...just saying their coaching and mentality is far superior to that of UGA.
Looking at the schedules, I see MSU having a better record than Michigan (Michigan plays Bama, @ND, @Neb, and @tOSU).
But to just go off of one game last year, and then state that Michigan is losing more is misplaced, imo. MSU is losing it's all time wins leader at QB, a starting RB (started 8 games, finished 2nd on the team in yards), the top 3 WRs, starting TE, and a 4 year starter at Guard on offense alone. On defense losing both DTs, like Michigan, and the SS from last years defense also. Michigan is also losing a DB and a DE.
- Cousins was the QB on the winningest teams in school history, but that doesn't make him hard to replace. He was a game manager, and quite frankly often times wasn't even great at that. He is, honestly, easily replaceable with another game manager like Maxwell. If the running game becomes more reliable as expected, this loss will be barely noticeable.
- It's very facetious to call Baker a starting RB. He started, but he lost it after keeping it for a *generous* amount of time. Also, marginally above average RB's are a dime a dozen. Having a healthy Caper will essentially make this loss a wash.
- We lost our 3 starting WR's, but that looks bigger than it is. Nichol was a fringe Big Ten WR (if Fowler is healthy this year he'll be better than Nichol), and Cunningham, while an excellent college possession WR, will not be difficult to replace with an Arnett or Burbridge. K-Mart will indeed be hard to replace immediately.
- It's also very facetious to say that we lost two starting DT's. Pickelman was a fill-in starter, who had been visibly surpassed by Anthony Rashad White by the end of the year. We also 'gain' Tyler Hoover, who was out all of last year (along with a Vandy transfer coming off the mandated year off).
Lmao. You win dude, can't argue with this.
I think 8 is the perfect playoff number, and I'd be fine cutting the regular season back by a game. Easy trade off for me.
It's going to be fascinating to watch the SEC East this year. One of UF, UTk, Vandy has to make an upward move, right ?
I wouldn't be surprised if Vandy shocks some people this year with a couple of upsets.
I think you're right with your theory about Richt.
GA is such a talent-rich state, it makes sense that UGA would have a ton of talent.
But it doesn't seem to translate into big wins. Boise and SECCG are good examples.
Re: Boise- I'm no fan of their team, but I agree about Petersen. He is one of the best coaches out there getting his guys ready for a big game, even though they are usually physically overmatched.
Good posting with you. Good luck this year.
This post was edited by USCTraveler 20 months ago
far to many look at what / who are leaving & not enough focus on what / who return .
-Bama will have three seniors among the front three (2 ret starters)
-at LB, Mosely,Johnson,DePriest,& Hubbard (each a former prep 5*) all have experience/starts, in the system
-secondary ? three are gone but if the corners play to expectations this could be Bama's best group of ballhawks in the Saban era .
the real question for 2012 isnt the starters , its how well the 2nd/3rd units perform .
Just to add some data (and opinions) to your post:
UGA is 2-1 in the black shirts, so they haven't worn them much and have only lost in them 1x (41-30 vs Ala in '08).
4-18 vs Fla over the last 22; 3-8 under Richt.
Versus Boise St, both teams were missing players. UGA missed S Baccari Rambo (suspension), then lost ILB Ogletree early in the 2nd while still leading the game. For the 1st game of season, they had poor (and inexperienced) LB depth. Thus BSU's more experienced team certainly benefited. (This is not to claim UGA would have won, but I see these as mitigating factors.)
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