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Obviously on this board many responses will be FOXNEWs' copy and pasted basically but I was wondering what everyone thinks so far. Facts we will start off with:
--- Nancy Pelosi is a demon, this is established
Both sides are blinded by the D and R in front of their name.
Well - we elected Santa Claus .... What did you expect? Free gifts cost money...
At this point I am almost cheering for the cliff. I doubt even that would rouse such a pitifully apathetic general population to legitimately throw off its government (read: Congress).
why would they throw off its govt...
poors dont pay for anything and are getting more handouts than ever... middle class is busy trying to stay afloat.... Rich are upset they are paying x% more than before.
try telling your wife you have to take an unpaid day for a rally... see her expression.
I've never seen so much support for failure...
Don't worry BLF - nobody is taking your welfare away - get back to Black ops and Halo 4
What happens if nothing is decided by the deadline? Is it just taxes returning to Clinton levels?
Yes, taxes will be raised to those levels. The increase in taxes isn't what to worry about though. Spending cuts will be what crushes our economy if we end up going over the cliff.
Yeah - just another excuse 4 years later to blame Bush for the absent leader position in the White House.
You debate like a child - emoticons, dismissive rhetoric, and speculative narcissistic perspective....which is clear you are under 22 years of age and unemployed.
Handout people are apathetic to government until they are missing their handout, or their entitlement guy needs their vote.
Not sure how anyone could vote for someone who has never passed a budget, but many of those voters don't live by a budget in their own lives.
Both sides have their faults and people continue to accept idiots as politicians and blindly vote for them. As a people, we get what we continuously elect: incompetence.
What are the spending cuts. Maybe I'm missing it but I don't see the down part.
There is across the board discretionary spending cuts, which is detrimental to the economy.
Agreed. Austerity should be preformed when the economy is on stable grounds. Europe attempted to cut their way out of debt and ended up in much, much worse shape.
Our President reminds me of Coach Mike London
Yep and what I meant by that is great motivational speakers rah rah type guys. Willing to push blame to everybody else when something goes wrong. And I would not trust either one with the game on the line to make the right decision for their team or country in this case.
I really have no faith in the gov't right now. I agree with you the election suck because the first 4 years a president is in office is a waste.. The first 2 years are a celebration/victory tour and the next 2 years are spent trying to get back in for another 4 years.
He's actually a little more like Frank. Unwilling to budge from the status quo.
both suck when the game is on the line.
That's hardly austerity. 55B is a drop in the bucket in national terms. I wouldn't mind seeing this happen. Why would any conservative fight this?
Probably all go Golfing!!!
Look, my wife and I are as middle class as it gets. We play by the rules, we pay our mortgage on time, we pay the rest of our bills, taxes, insurance on everything out the ass, whatever. We will owe several thousand more dollars next year if this doesn't go through. We've worked hard to cut a few hundred dollars a month out of our expenses to free up some money. Gone. In a blink. Even worse, the small business I work for will see some bad effects from the payroll tax breaks expiring. people will lose their jobs. people will have less discretionary income to SPEND and stimulate the economy.
It is so simple that allowing this to happen right now would be a disaster for the economy, and if they can't get a deal done, frankly its a slap in the face to people like us who never ask for anything and are productive citizens to society and government. We pay. and we pay. and we pay. and we pay. we are deciding whether or not we can afford our first kid. We look around and see jobless degenerates popping out baby after baby after baby...we are already paying for their kids. have another baby. here is another $100 a month. now the government just needs a little more. just a little more.
its just not the time right now to do this. obviously we need a balanced budget as a country and that has to combine revenue sources and spending. but hitting the middle class in the face right now, as well as small business, is dangerous.
This post was edited by cockengr 19 months ago
I'm with you man
its part of the problem. not welfare itself and the exact dollar figures of whats abused and what isn't, but the entitlement mentality and rewarding nonproductive behavior (this is my personal opinion and there is a little bit of a moral argument there that we can leave out)
but yeah that was minor aside/rant to me just describing how it would affect us personally.
I'm with BLF, the rest of your post was spot on. I won't deny that welfare's a problem, but it's a minimal problem that's merely a social policy point that has been hyped up because it's easier to point to welfare recipients as the cause of American economic troubles than to address the numerous holes in our tax structure and the economic policies that led to the recession.
Simply put: welfare should be addressed, but if we actually want to fix the American economy and not just look for scapegoats, welfare is pretty far down on the priority list of things that need to be fixed.
I can agree with that more or less....it was more of a frustration with the attitude than with looking at the dollar figures and how big a piece of the pie it is.
That's understandable. Generally, I'm a champion for the lower classes (especially considering I came from nothing), but I recently had an annoying experience that left a bad taste in my mouth.
I was looking for a new apartment, and I found a couple buildings close to my work that looked perfect. Newly-renovated lofts, decent neighborhood, nightlife right downstairs. I go to apply for an apartment, and I was actually rejected because I make too much money. Apparently, the housing was all set aside for government subsidized Section 8 housing, and I make over 4 times the maximum allowable salary for even a full family living in the building.
I felt like a jerk complaining about making too much money, but I'm pretty damn sure I owe more in student loans than anyone in those buildings owes for anything, and yet now I have to pay an extra couple hundred dollars/month for comparable housing if I want to live the same distance from work.
I don't think it will hurt the economy from what you have explained.
Imo, our core priority should be to increase the value of the dollar. As the dollar goes up, gas goes down. That will boost the economy more than anything.
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