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You can respond in two parts. One is what you think happens over the next few weeks and the summer? Second is predicting where we will be in 5-6 years when it's "done".
I think starting in 2016 we'll have this set up:
BYU = Big 12
Clemson = Big 12
FSU = Big 12
Miami = Big 12
NCSt = Big 12
Notre Dame = Big 12
Virginia Tech = SEC
UNC = SEC
Georgia Tech = B1G
Virginia = B1G
Boise St = Pac12, just football
UNV = Pac 12, just football
I think Pac14 may form and be the only conference of the SCs that is not 16 teams deep.
Something like the top 8 teams with the only AQs being the 4 SC winners.Final four are most often 2-3 more SC teams and 1-2 non SCs. If they dont make a way for non SC teams to get in they'll sued and will lose that battle in court.
That Big 12 looks strong.
This post was edited by fsufsu 17 months ago
Not how good they are in 2012 or even over the last 4-6 years but how strong and capable of a contending season each program would be.......what would the strongest DIVISION in college football?
The SECE and the BIG12E would be a war.
North Carolina -- given far more money and better conference affiliation I think UNC could be #3 in this division
Virginia Tech -- their great local talent ground will be too hotly contested for them to flourish (PSU/MD/UNC/etc recruit DMV)
Big 12 will go to 14 and stop. The only conference I see Notre Dame joining would be the Big 12, and I mean that for football. I think they will hold out for as long as they can, though. I don't blame them.
One of the Carolina schools.
Big 12 East will be...
Lets say ND decides they have held out long enough and wants to join. It would be ND and another Carolina school most likely. That is unless the Big 10 doesn't take GT. Then GT will be coming with the original wave.
Not just for the 62 teams in the SCs but for the whole of CFB they will need to appoint a commissioner and basically secede from the NCAA. Commissioner could be selected democratically and would do a lot to maintain order I believe. If left under the oversight of the NCAA it will reach epic proportions of fail and collusion.
ND to SEC. Book it.
ND will not end up in the B10. They will hold out to the very last moment (forever, if possible). At the very end, if they are forced into a conference, it will be the P12. In fact, it would not surprise me to see UT, ND, OU and OSU all join the P12 together a decade or so from now as a Midwest pod.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 17 months ago
Wouldn't ever happen because it would doom TCU, gaylor, and tech. Not that I wouldn't enjoy to see that happen but politics in this state would never allow it.
Add BYU and ND and the Big12 footprint would look like the Louisiana purchase lol.
I really don't see Miami joining the Big 12, I think if given the choice Miami will likely go back to being independent then join a conference.
However they could be forced to join a conference because of the new playoffs format.
Yh I agree.
Tallahassee radio show says ACC will be done for here soon. Says FSU will not be in the ACC much longer. Says that the other conferences have bettered themselves through expansion while the ACC did not, and that shows in the TV deal that Swofford signed.
What are you referring to?
The Big Ten adding Virginia and Ga Tech makes sense academically and in their scheme to expand their market. Mediocre athletic additions, though.
its exactly what they did adding rutgers and maryland except they added mediocre academics and mediocre athletics. with GT and UVA at least you get top notch academics
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i dont see how miami would survive financially
Miami cant go independent. They'd drown. They'd get 14 mill tops for tv and tickets would always go undersold. Small alumni cant give the donations needed. I think Miami makes the Big 12. We'll want that market and we will want them as an addition academically. With the extra 15-20 mill a year in tv the B12 would give them I think the Canes become a top 5 program again pretty quickly.
If the Big 12 adds FSU, Miami, Clemson, and Louisville it will actually end up being less travel distances for all of us than the ACC.
This post was edited by fsufsu 16 months ago
So buy some real estate?
I think over the last 5 years Miami and other ACC teams have averaged receiving 7.4 Million a year from television. In 2014 we;d get probably just under 30 after tier three. The SEC will shit a brick when FSU and Miami are on the same playing field money wise.
I believe there are only 2 options for ND to join: obvious B10, but might never occur and P12. The reason being academics, neither the Big 12 or Sec has the reputation of excellence in the classroom that would draw the Irish in my opinion. But I think this is a great thought and some very intelligent thoughts.
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If/ when you move to the Big XII how much money would it be? When I hear SEC expansion talk it centers around not staying within the foot print. With most of the XII schools in Texas, OK and Florida if you and Miami go would you get more than the $1 (roughly) from each TV set the B1G and SEC get?
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Just guessing from what I've seen I'd think we'd get around 21-23 mill each for tiers 1 and 2. And I think FSU and Miami would both get between 6-8 mill each for tier 3.
Big 12 doesn't have a network. The money made is from tier 3 and eyeballs. The number of tv sets in an area doesn't matter, because the Big 12 isn't pushing a package on subscribers in the area like the Big 10 and SEC. Its all ratings. Big 12 is going after big programs to get good matchups. Big 10 went after Rutgers and Maryland because of tv sets.
For example, as it stands right now, each Big 12 school gets $20 million from the Big 12 TV contract. WVU is about to ink a tier 3 deal of between $6 million to $8 million a year. Then add on the bowl revenue, Champions Bowl payout($20 million per conference) and championship game revenue... FSU, Clemson and any other ACC school would be getting a big jump in pay by going to the Big 12.
I am hoping Notre Dame joins with BYU in 2016 after their contract runs out. Big 12 will maybe let them play one less conference game than everyone else so they can do their world tour.
Big 12 adds BYU, FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, Notre Dame and thats the best conference in college football.
The key is leaving Pitt out to dry. They are useless.
Agree that would be something, no doubt. I do wonder if the ever changing, lately, conference scene would change ND's focus. I guess we will see.
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