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And our 5 TO last year helped you squeek one out.
3 time POTW
We have been playing in California every year since we started playing Stanford every year. I'm sad to see the Michigan game off the schedule, it was by far the biggest game after USC..
Why does this thread sound like a scorned teenage girl who got dumped and runs to Facebook to sh!t on him....
Point one = True
Point 2 = True
Point 3 = False
There were over 7 different systems for choosing a National Champion. If those years from 1869 to 1935 are included the winner is Princeton with 26 National Titles. Yale at 2nd with 18, Alabama with 13, Notre Dame with 13 and Michigan with 11.
2 recognized bank of voters, AP and Coaches Poll
Alabama has 9
Notre Dame 8
Michigan is tied at 12th with 2 National Championships 1948 and 1997 (AP)
Those ranked ahead of or tied with UM from 5th through 13 are, Miami (5) Nebraska (5) Minnesota (4) Texas (4) Florida (3) LSU (3) Army (2) Auburn (2) Florida State (2)
I think we can all agree that going back further than 1936 is silly, and that even if we did, UM is behind ND in NC's
Because the first two points are in fact true, I must add that we have 7 Heisman winners to your 3 ^^
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by NDFoots34 22 months ago
We come across this point with all fanbases. They want to pretend that national championships never happened because they were too long ago for their liking. It's only fair to look at the whole picture. If you really have 13 then why does the university of notre dame only say they have 11.
We are college football
You did not read the post. NDU saying they have 11 is post 1936. For that same time period UM has 2. Now from 1869 till present, ND has 13, UM 11. The problem with NC's before The AP poll and Coaches poll is that there were many Champions for each year. That makes the Post 1936 a much more reliable number.
This post was edited by NDFoots34 22 months ago
Can the ACC co-sign this?
This post was edited by gonoles1 22 months ago
College Football Data Warehouse recognized national champions
Notre Dame - 1919, 1924, 1929, 1930, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1964, 1966, 1973, 1977, 1988 = 13
Michigan- 1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1918, 1923, 1932, 1933, 1947, 1948, 1997 =11
Concerning what is recognized and what is claimed, In 1919 ND was 9-0 But due to the number of Ranking services this NC was recognized by only 2, while Texas A&M had 5 as Did Harvard. I can only guess that due to the number of ranking services ND did not claim this one, although it is among the recognized NC's. The same can be said for the 1920 undefeated team. In this year Nd was recognized by 2 ranking systems and California by 4.
In comparison in 1903 Michigan was recognized by only one ranking system and Princeton by 4, yet Michigan still claimed this as a NC. In 1904 Michigan again had 1 ranking system giving it a NC while Penn had 4. This seems to be an early trend for UM, as most often they did not recieve the abundance of ranking system NC;s but did claim them none the less.
That in a nutshell is the problem for anything pre AP and Coaches Poll, Some schools regardless of how many ranking systems gave them an NC, would claim them.
Concerning Points 2 That is an ever changing stat, do not be surprised if in the next few years that ND will again have the highest winning % currently we are only .4% behind.
Shouldn't we wait until after 4 games to claim that you are going to take the all time winning percentage back?
Re Read above post.
Not being surprised is by no means claiming ^^
According to your website you claim 11 national championships.
Notre Dame only claims "Consensus" national championships...hence the discrepency. Bama has 8-9 consensus(not sure).
"Strap on" is "No parts" spelled backwards...coincidence--- I think not!
Anyone who brags about a National Title before the 80's is a wiener tugger.
Wait, weren't you the guy who used to hang out in the Michigan thread on here? I always thought you were a pretty good poster, were you just trolling us the whole time?
Anyway, I'm bummed this series is going away for awhile but I hope it doesn't last forever. I thought it provided both teams a with pretty good early season barometer of how good they were and generated some very good games. I realize ND has to shore up some schedule space now that they'll be playing the ACC but I hope the series can resume at some point in the future.
You're right, it is just sour grapes. ND won and is 4-0, Mich lost and is 2-2.
This post was edited by dpfenny 22 months ago
Scored 4 touchdowns...in a single game. Polk High!
Well ND dont care about what is good for CFB, they only care about ND and it's more obvious now than ever
This post was edited by Muschampions 22 months ago
You a very uninformed
Add All Americans...players drafted to the NFL, and Pro Hall of Famers..
This post was edited by usctrojan1 22 months ago
"Here are provided seats of meditative joy, where shall rise again the destined reign of Troy." Virgil
If you had NC before the 80s, y'all would be pounding your chests and screeching like banshees all over the internet...same with Heisman's and every other college football accolade y'all could claim.
All and all, by every measure a program can be judged in CFB history, both Michigan and Notre Dame are elite...with the Irish edging out the Wolverines in AA, drafted players, etc..
Notre Dame has been the most loyal of rivals...there were several times in history where they could have simply dropped our series..they gained nothing from continuing other than exposure to Los Angeles. Here's a news flash, the greatest number of Notre Dame alums are out here in California, so not exactly a reason to continue the rivalry.
The history between ND and Michigan is pretty ugly at times, but it is possible that it will resume at some point, in some manner. Maybe the Domers will take a 35 year break.
It's nice to see ND fans crowing so much over beating UM. It's a huge win for you guys. We were the better team statistically and based on the eye test, but we turned the ball over six times. You can't turn the ball over that many times and beat any team with a pulse. But congrats. One win out of every four tries against top tier programs is about right for ND these days.
Did you turn the ball over unassisted...your own players fumbling untouched or dropping balls while wide open? Not being an ass, didn't have a chance to watch the game.
Turnovers are usually caused by pressure from the opponent.
In the case of at least three of the turnovers, I would say yes. Maybe four. And my guess is ND will not get six turnovers in another game this year. This was not a situation in which ND simply played awesome "six turnover worthy" defense. UM (mostly Denard) made multiple really bad decisions. How many games in the last five years has ND benefited from six turnovers? It's a relatively unusual situation. And how many times does a team turn the ball over six times and win the game? We lost by a TD on the road. We turned the ball over six times. We beat ourselves.
...and by that logic ND was the better team last year...and the year before. BTW, who is crowing over beating UM? I was simply responding to the Mich homer making the same claim you are.
One of the turnovers was Denard throwing it up right before half. Of the other 5, one was a fumble when the player was hit. The 4 picks were a combination of pressure on Denard and UM choosing to play a running back at QB. To be fair, one of the picks was on a half back pass. Not sure why a team with a running back playing qb would run a half back pass...seems kinda redundant. Anyway, I would blame that one on the O coordinator.
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