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I'm not talking about Detroit. I'm talking about what Obama called him out on. I understand those car companies are there, but if Obama is gonna call him out he needs to have his facts straight
He's using the city because he's never demonstrated any measurable amount of compassion or understanding for the vast majority of the people who make up the city of Detroit. His policies would do nothing but harm the vast majority of Detroit's citizens, but he tries to use the city to score political points without giving anything back to the city.
Speaking of calling people out...
ROMNEY vs OBAMA s assertion about President ...
A better economy wouldn't help the city? A better economy means more cars sold which means more people going to work which means more jobs for the people.
No, he's not going to be handing out cell phones and welfare checks and a lot of people aren't going to like going to work, but thats the way it needs to be.
What are you expecting him to give back to the city? Your expectations?
Well, it's going to take more than a better economy to convince people that the domestic auto market is worth their time again. Mainly time.
For even Romney to breathe the words "Detroit" is a disgrace. When my family was struggling to even survive, and live. Him even claiming he's from there deserves a drop off on 5 mile and Gratiot ave, or Southwestern Detroit where my family "survived". Let him see how long his phony political speech makes it down there. Where folks have been struggling to make it by a hair. No, he's a disgrace to even claim that, when my grandfather that went through shit in WWII getting shot in the head, and then went back to protect the city he knew as home. What has the Romney's done for Detroit other than sell off jobs? huh? F*ck you, and f*ck Romney.
This post was edited by A2Wolverines 21 months ago
Romney's policies are not going to create a better economy. 90% of his advisors are Bush holdovers from an 8-year administration that tanked the entire economy. He hasn't released a single concrete detail about his tax plan beyond a vague "20% reduction for everyone!" promise. Assuming that tax policy goes through, he'll gut the support structure for much of the middle and lower class, and he'll be taking money out of the pockets of the vast majority of Detroit residents.
I'm expecting him to release some concrete plan that would actually benefit the residents of the city, but he hasn't done that.
It seems that is exactly what most of them want....handouts
Let me ask you this...if there are no jobs and people are struggling like hell in Detroit, you can always up and move and try to better yourself instead of sitting around whining all the time. Is that not correct?
Do you have any evidence supporting this statement?
Who had the bigger impact on the car industries woes, Romney or the unions?
They both suck to be honest. I'm just so filled with hate right now it's unbelievable. My family was nothing but hard working people and they almost got killed for it. That's f*cked up no matter who caused it. Why hasn't Detroit been fixed??? Why does it look like Eastern Europe??? This is inexcusable in America.
It sucks about your family, but you hating him for saying he's from Detroit is kind of stupid. He never said he grew up rough everyone knows he didn't. No one is sitting there going "Oh, Mitt is from Detroit, poor guy must have had it rough, I think I'll vote for him" 100% of people who pay any attention at all know he grew up with advantages.
Can people only say they are from Detroit if they grew up rough?
Sorry people from Chicago, if you didn't grow up in the ghetto and know 3 people who have been shot you can't say you are from Chicago. Come on.
You run into anyone from a metro area and no one says the name of the suburb. They say the city, and that's exactly what he's doing.
This post was edited by Hskr4Life23 21 months ago
Really? You can't understand the difference between saying something and then promising something? Or the difference from saying you're from somewhere and your family business saying something different? He's not a Detroiter and neither is his phony Governor Dad. They'll never know the struggles of the State, and should just go elsewhere.
That's not at all correct. Not only are there many, many costs associated with any relocation, but many of the people struggling in Detroit have families and children that can't be easily uprooted. It's incredibly disingenuous for you to characterize hard-working Americans as "whining all the time" when many are doing anything and everything they can to provide for their families.
Besides, what do you mean by "better yourself"? Getting an education costs money. Taking technical classes costs money. How do you propose that someone who is out looking for a job every single day go about "bettering themselves"?
Yeah I can see that, and maybe somewhat justified. I just think your anger may be misplaced.
One of if not the major reason these companies failed is do to the unions getting too powerful and workers, who most with no higher education or unique trade skill, were making an average of about $55 an hour in wages/benifits(not $75 as was often the repub talking point). Now with that said you can't put too much blame on these auto workers as they were just negotiating for the highest salary/best benefits possible which we all do.
My point is there were a lot of people to blame and it was just a broken system all around. If you really listen to what Romney says, he isn't saying he would have just Sh*t on the auto companies. He would have just forced them to go through the process of bankruptcy quicker prior to any buyouts and then helped them on the other side. The end results are likely the same, the process is just slightly different.
No, you have no idea what happened in Detroit. An entire country gave up on us, and let us destroy ourselfs. And if you listen to me, I wasn't even talking about the motor companies. I'm talking about being SHOT at day in day out, and relying on the salary of a POLICE OFFICER!!!! A police officer that also happened to be shot in the head in North Africa for his country, a guy that was elected mayor by a group of italians that believed in him because he liberated their city. And then you come home and try to do good with your city and no matter how hard you try you can't because the Federal gov't has beef with civil rights folks in your city. Seriously fuck you. We were never given a choice to get better the Federal gov't choice that Detroits path itself.
You realize that during Mitt's dad's time as governor he turned the state from an 85 million deficit to a surplus and made huge increases to the education budgets and help to the poor. Do some research, doesn't know the struggles lol. He only took part in the civil rights movements and even marched with MLK, even though it pissed off the people at his all white church if you think that isn't an extremely risky thing to do in the 60s then idk what to tell you.
I feel like you just hate him because he didn't grow up in the bad area and is successful. Don't hate him for his success. How about you give a real reason for hating him other than "he didn't grow up in the ghetto and is rich."
how bout the people of Detroit stop being morons and shooting at each other then no one is dodging bullets.
It sucks your life has been tough, but seriously you can't blame the troubles of your city on everyone else.
How about the fact that he doesn't give two sh*ts about the vast majority of the people in this country? His utter lack of conviction in anything other than himself? His inability to routinely avoid telling outright lies in his campaign? His complete dismissal of equal rights for women and homosexuals? His antiquated, 1980s cold-war vision of American foreign policy? His despicable lack of ethics, as demonstrated by his refusal to release his tax returns?
Would you like more?
I'm not angry because of what his dad did, I'm angry because I know that Mitt won't do that for us again. And just because some folks rallied in march, doesn't mean that they know what it's like to live in the city. Please, is that really an argument by yourself? Some folks marched and all is good? MLK wasn't even recognized in this city, Malcom X was.
I'm not blaming Mitt for everything, just asking that he doesn't act like he understands this city.
His dad was huge in the civil rights movement in that area. He was a huge supporter of it and pissed off a lot of the people he knew before being governor, his church mostly.
Just because he didn't grow up in it doesn't mean he doesn't understand it. I don't live there, but I know its a shitty place to be and that the people need help. I'm just not in favor of handing them money. I want someone who understands business and will get the economy running to get those people jobs and I trust Mitt with that task far more than I do Obama.
- His casual avoidance of U.S. tax liability through offshore accounts.
- His dismissal of the one good thing he created while Governor of Massachusetts.
- His hiring of economic advisers like Greg Mankiw, who once said that the offshoring of American job was a good thing.
- His constant flip-flopping on practically every major issue in his campaign.
- His smug "just trust us" mentality when it comes to every substantial issue surrounding the presidency.
- His pledge to repeal Dodd-Frank.
- His support of Social Security privatization.
- His belief that he "cannot see that a cabinet position would be justified" for an American Muslim.
- His out-of-touch view of current military needs and requirements.
- His chicken-hawk foreign policy views.
- His lack of concern for any environmental regulations.
- His advocation for doubling the size of Guantanamo.
- His ridiculous attempt at denying and explaining away his Vietnam draft-dodging.
The fact is that IF, and that's a big IF, anyone understood, they never came to help. No one every has, no one every will. This city is lost. It's not about handouts, it's about having some empathy for your fellow human being that is struggling. That's what this country doesn't understand. It's all, I don't want to pay for their lazy asses. Well those lazy asses include Vietnam vets, and folks that never had a choice. I want to help them, and give them a reason to live and I don't care how many tax dollars get taken out for that. I choice to believe in humanity not greed.
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