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Teo dosnt deserve the heisman. He is not even the best linbacker in the country. Clowney is more deserving than teo. Manziel should win this award for the numbers he put up. Teams dont have to know where teo is at all tines but menziel better have a spy and you better double team clowney.
That "broken home" bit is not worthy of a Notre Dame fan.
I thought we had an agreement if I sat down at games - your old ass would stop yelling at me to sit down...
My bad old head
You don't know me, do you? LOL!
Johnny Football deserves the heisman IMO
Guy put up better numbers than Cam and Tebow, how does he not deserve it?
I have a stat for you...
Both players played 3 teams that finished the season ranked
Against those 3 teams, Manziel's production dropped by about 40% from his season average.
Against those 3 teams, Te'o had about a 40% rise in production from his season average.
Notre Dame also held those three opponents to an average of 21.6 points per game less than their season output.
aTm only averaged 8.2 points per game more than their 3 opponents averaged giving up.
This post was edited by Alonzo Harris 16 months ago
You can look it up. Those are the facts. His completion percentage went down by 6.4 %, his passing yards down 18 %, his TD passes down 66 %, interceptions up 40 %, yards per carry down 46 %, rushing TD's down 160 %.
Te'o had his tackles up 28 %, sacks up 62 %, interceptions up 40 %, tackles for loss up 64 %.
Also, ND held those teams to 21 points below their season average, while Agy put up only 8.1 points more than what those teams were averaging giving up.
Manti captained a much better defense than Johnny did an offense. Facts are facts. Johnny ran up his numbers against the nobodies on his schedule.
Go Blue & Gig Em'!
You don't get it...it doesn't matter. Top 25 offenses is a worthless stat. Comparing teams that play completely different schedules proves nothing.
Comparing how they perform versus their opponent's average output is what matters.
So against what LSU, Bama, and UF averaged giving up, you were only 8.2 points better.
Against what Stanford, Oklahoma, and Michigan were averaging scoring, ND was 21.6 points better.
One win doesn't make a heisman. People have been winning in TTown for a century. BFD it's a 12 game season, and in the other big games he played he didn't do anything.
Johnny football should win the heisman. I can think of three lb that have better numbers and better fb players. Teo is overated not saying he isnt good just overated.
Doug Flutie's win over Miami is the reason he won the Heisman
Seriously? Get your stats correct...he's tied for 63rd in the country in passes defended.
And for all those touting ND's schedule...it wasn't all that. It ranks behind A&M's. Pitt? Come on! They got pounded by a FCS opponent! End of that discussion.
Everyone here knows that Te'o is very good football player...but he is not the best in college football. The fact that people have to bring up the very definition of "What the Heisman is Supposed to Represent" kinda proves that your case for "Te'o for Heisman", statistically, and in actuality, is weak.
But don't despair. There is a silver lining. We all know you F'n Irish fans are all hyped to have your day in the sun, but after Manziel wins the Heisman, and 'Bama the National Championship, you can look back on this year and say that, "yes, Notre Dame was relevant again".
Let me preface my comment with the fact that I really have no argument if Johnny Football wins the Heisman. Dude put together a great season and is deserving of the award if he wins it.
With that said, the Heisman as a whole is a joke, not just this year. First off, defensive players really have no shot at it unless they play both ways or return punts/ kick offs to the crib. I mean let's be honest, if Suh didn't win it, who here thinks ANY defensive player that doesn't do what I stated above has a chance?
The other reason I feel the Heisman has become a joke is because I feel that the majority of the voters can't make an educated vote because they don't follow college football that deeply. I would bet the staff here at 247 or even some of the members here could make a more educated decision on the Heisman than some of these sports journalists. FFS, they offered Mike Greenberg a vote!!! He doesn't really follow college football in depth.
But the personal attacks on a college player because you don't agree with him being a finalist for an award is pretty pathetic. The voters put them there, attack them if you don't agree with it. I am sorry your life didn't go as planned and you are so upset about it that you would resort to those types of tactics...that goes for both the anti-Manziel and anti-Te'o personal comments.
Do you think that Gino Toretta, Ty Detmer, Rashaan Salaam, Jason White, Troy Smith and on and on were the best players in CF when they won the Heisman? The NFL would say otherwise. Not to say that Manti is not the best player....just sayin.
He won't win it. Johnny Football is going to win it by a pretty large margin.
Huddles are for rookies.
The NFL has no say as to who should win the Heisman. That is why they call it the best player in College Football.
About not game planning against Te'o...
Actually, after Oklahoma every team's exclusive plan was to avoid the middle of the field or running between the tackles because Te'o is there. Obviously you don't watch the games, but that is exactly what happened.
This post was edited by bfrischnd 16 months ago
More like... Manti Gayo!
Name me one player on your team who accounted for 9 total turnovers, had over 100 tackles, and will be a top 5 pick in the NFL Draft??? Bring it South
This post was edited by arahop 16 months ago
What does NFL draft pick even have to do with this?
Ok what were Manziel's stat's vs. LSU and Florida? His only other big games?
You tell me.
Meanwhile manti becomes the 10,000th player to record a 100 tackles in a season.
Running in circles. Tomorrow night can't get here fast enough so we can pass these clowns onto the bama fans.
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