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It matters in the sense that a lot of people listen to him and treat him as some kind of link to God, but his personal opinions (like good atheists being redeemed) don't have any bearing on salvation as the Bible defines it.
You would think a person who claims to be ominipotent would have thought up a better system than that one. Vain mofo IMO and not worthy of praise.
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IIRC, this has been the catholic church's position for a while now. And, honestly, people interpret the bible in whatever way that most aligns with their own personal view. It's why some christians think homosexuals go to hell, some think they should all be executed, and some think jesus loves everyone. It's why faith v. works is an ongoing, and likely never ending debate.
When a book is poorly written with thousands of possible interpretations (that number coming from the number of sects of christianity), you're going to have people that believe in wildly different things.
Sadly the pope does rip out pages of the bible. Personally, every third full moon, in a satanic ritual where he assumes his true demonic form.
But who cares what an atheist or a muslim or a buddhist or a catholic or hindu or a japanese or an unbaptized or eskimo or a retard agrees with..? They're all going to burn for eternity. And the Bible is the Bible. Literally. Word for word.
Don't feel badly about being "that guy" at all. It's your birthright. Out of the 60 million people around the world who die every year only the tiniest fraction from the southeastern United States will be allowed to go to Heaven. This is fact.
Jeff4USC showing him supreme intelligence in this thread as per usual.
So mad, all the time.
This post was edited by Clemson 10 months ago
Judging by your post history I'd assume you are being sarcastic, in which case
If serious though, lol.
Christians do it all the time.
Yes you can. The bible says the earth is flat and you could fall of the edge. People ignore that part, or call it metaphor, or whatever else.
It's all non-evidence based belief. Who are you to say they are wrong?
I was hoping this was obvious
I agree that people twist the Bible for their own personal reasons, but the Bible is extremely clear that only believers are redeemed. The Gospels and New Testament echo this hundreds of times.
That's just, like, your opinion man.
There are other christians who believe differently. Neither of you have anything to legitimize your beliefs.
It probably was, just too early in the morning for my sarcasm meter to be working properly.
That's not an opinion, it's what the Bible (the book Christians believe was divinely created, without error) says, very clearly.
The Pope said all were reedemed from their sins.
He never said everyone has been saved.
This is nothing new to Christianity. I don't know why people suddenly act like it is
Yes and no.
Your foundations of Christianity come from biblical manipulation as well. If someone lived their life by the bible 100% in modern america, they'd end up in jail or in a mental institution.
All Christians believe in the fundamental premise - Jesus died for our sins, he is the savior, etc. What the pope is saying does not fly in the face of the foundation of Christianity. It only contradicts what an Evangelical Christian believes.
Fortunately we can be 100% sure the Bible has never been manipulated or altered in any way since Biblical times, so the foundations of Christianity will never ever change!
A few thoughts:
What Pope Francis is saying isn't unique. It's a very old type of theology that the Church has regularly espoused called semi-pelagianism. It isn't official doctrine has been labeled heresy for centuries, but it still regularly creeps into official and unofficial statements from the Church. It's the idea that a person can "meet God half-way" by doing some good things and allowing God to judge the good deeds and do God's redeeming work. It's pretty much the argument that the Reformers were fighting against during the Reformation in the 16th century. The problem with what Francis is saying, and with semi-pelagianism as it has been applied by the Roman Church, is that only the Pope and the Church get to decide the definition of the word "good." When Pope Francis says, "those who do good go to heaven" what he really means is "those who do what the Catholic Church says is good go to heaven." Roman Catholic doctrine believes that the voice of the Pope IS the voice of God (Vicar of Christ), so it isn't a problem if what the Pope says is in opposition to the Bible because the Pope's authority (and papal tradition) is equal to that of the Bible.
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So did you abandon all your worldly possessions and give everything you have to the poor?
Even with the caveats I'm pretty pleased to learn about this. My biggest problem with Western religion is the whole "if your remote village wasn't lucky enough to have some white boys come around to pass out Bibles, you're all spending eternity in a lake of fire" thing.
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