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That a good question and I believe it's a mixture of both. More so that Callahan and staff were terrible though. Callahan is a great offensive mind and recruiter but he did nothing to develop the talent and had a horrible defensive staff. The rise of missouri and Kansas during that era hurts us too. And kansas state now. We used to have our pick of players in this area and that just isnt the case anymore beginning in the early to mid 2000s.
now matter how you shuffle this deck, it's still Corch vs. a bunch of banana hammocks
Do you think it could become a problem again with these divisions?
You realize Ohio State would of been in that game this year right? Not to mention, they are off the bowl ban. Michigan is recruiting better now, MSU is probably more consistent than Neb has been. So if Neb was in the East.. They'd be #4, maybe #3 most years.
Your going to see Ohio St and Michigan start to separate themselves this year, on.. It's quite obvious by the recruiting alone.
This post was edited by OHSethIO 15 months ago
I'm not really sure what to think of Nebraska. I figured last year was their year (as everyone pretty much did) but they laid massive eggs in the game against osu and the big ten championship game.
They're lucky their schedule is a joke up until the Northwestern and Michigan games and I could see both of those teams throttling them if their defense doesn't get any better and I've been told it will be worse.
I expect that we will play at least 1 of those three every year, but thats not really the issue when many Husker fans take issue there not being any nationally relevant games... We're simply saying there will be no nationally relevant division games.... Every time NU or Wiscy plays one of the blue-bloods from the East, the division will not matter. The importance of those games is diminished...... NU v UM or NU v PSU will be as significant as NU v OU or NU v UT was in the B12 now. It will be a tough game, but will be irrelevant as far as the B10 title or division title most years.
Eastern games of interest:
UM v OSU
OSU v PSU
UM v PSU
OSU v MSU
PSU v MSU
UM v MSU
(I'd throw Rutgers in there too to the same degree of NW in the West.)
NU v Wisc
Wisc v Iowa
NU v Iowa
NU v NW
Wisc v NW
The difference in interesting-division games is pretty lop-sided.
No, the INS isn't chasing him; Taylor Martinez just runs like that. . . .
Edit: I meant to quote UMWolverines: "Do you think NU getting the shaft in the Big XII helped with their decline or did hiring bad coaches cause it more? Or both?"
Both, and see some of the same risks for the western teams in this B10 alignment.
Its hard to put it all into words for the way I see what happened with NU. It really was just the perfect storm for us to have a down-period. We had our coaching-turnovers at the same time that OU, UT, TT, OSU, and Baylor made home-run hires. So its hard to say that our separation from any of the southern programs was the main/only reason, because those programs probably would've found success regardless of what was happening to NU or how it was aligned.... I do think it made it harder for any of the northern teams to rebound from bad hires though, but I can't really prove it either, because UT is down again, and KSU has made a resurgence under Snyder.
I just feel like a program like Iowa or NW will not be able to afford making a poor coaching decision. And NU and Wiscy will be at more of a risk in this division than they would've been in the Legends/Leaders alignment.
The best states for recruiting are all in the East, and I think in 10-15 years it will show, just like it did in the B12.... All its going to take is a good coaching hire by Rutgers or MD and/or a poor coaching hire by Wicy, NU, NW, or Iowa for the disadvantage to really surface imo.
This is a tough question to answer. this was my third or fourth post that I typed up but hadn't posted, because none of them really address the issue in its entirety. I still don't feel like I answered it fully. There was just a lot that went into the past 10-15 years on NU football that cause us to fall from our former status.
This post was edited by oade 15 months ago
I don't really get that argument. It might not be quite as important, but it's still important to win every conference game regardless if the team you're playing is in your division or the other. Overall conference record means a lot.
I think so, but only time will tell.
NW might prove me wrong and be able to sustain success after Fitz leave or retires, but I have no confidence that they make two good coaching hires in a row.
Iowa is already behind the 8-ball, and really can't afford to let their program slide any further, because there simply isn't the recruits in the Western states to maintain long-term success, or rebound as quickly as in the East.
NU and Wiscy can probably afford a down-period, but i think that we're both at a major disadvantage in comparison to UM, PSU, OSU, MSU, and Rutgers in the long term.
Over the past 3 years the states of Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin have produces less than 45 3-5* recruits combined.... That isn't going to be changing any time soon.
Its about more than that though. The goal is to win every game regardless of who is on the schedule, but who's on the schedule is what draws recruits, fans, and coaches.
The reason the NU v OU rivalry fell off the map is because we didn't play every year, and when we did, it was still less important than OU v UT or NU v mizzou or KSU.... Imagine UM and OSU not playing every year, and what it would do to the rivalry.... Imagine that the game wouldn't have the impact on the division race that it really should. Its depressing to see UM, MSU, and PSU removed from our annual schedule in favor of Wiscy, Purdue, and Illinois.
Removing UM and PSU from Nebraska's annual schedule doesn't remove any rivalry, because there really wasn't a rivalry..... But it does remove the potential for those rivalries to form. A nationally relevant rivalry game that NU has been missing since the B12 was formed.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by oade 15 months ago
Yeah they should've let NU and OU schedule that game every year like Michigan and osu did as a crossover. I don't really know, but how did that rivalry in its prime stack up to the red river rivalry?
You may have a good thing started with Iowa. I will definitely tune into that game every year. I'd be nice if Iowa would get their shit together.
We'll see how long this alignment lasts. If they add UNC/UVA type teams this will change again.
Luckily I don't think Fitz is leaving for a long time.
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