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you don't need to change the title...I am just not a proponent of the title given to it
it's a very popular one, but a majority of the physicists involved don't like it either
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Thanks. Like I said, very interesting, but understanding what it means was a bit challenging. Seems like it could open a lot of new doors.
I think a lot of the answers to your questions are coming, we don't know a whole lot but answers to the universe creation, dark matter, black holes could come. With that will come a lot of new technology. Humans learn everything from nature and this would be another avenue for us to go down.
I think a much better understanding of the space-time field and a revolution of quantum mechanics.
We are talking about possible massive amounts of energy creation (sort of in a different respect due to the current laws of physics), determining how mass is formed and how things attain the matter they have, gravity and what gives gravity to certain objects (moon to the earth, earth to the moon, galaxies to stars etc.)
With this new understanding though it will take some time to come up with all the answers to your questions. Progress is slow but slow for a reason, it has to be verified and verified by independent sources. The verification must be able to be obtained over and over again for it to be anything but a theory.
The notion that we are pushing objects to the brink of the speed of light and observing what is happening in such small increments lets us know how far we've come in just the past century and excites me to how much further we will go in my lifetime. As a civilization we have done so much but have so much more to offer...the answers are coming, we just have to wait for them.
what they said
Really always cheering for the LHC to get work done so this is good. I am always hoping they find a way to harness anti-matter because it could power the global power grid for something like 1/1000th the current cost. If they ever harness antimatter the only reason we'll pay a utility bill is because they'll be marking it up a ton so a couple hundred folks get mega rich but it would still be pennies on the current dollar.
But even more importantly our use of fossil fuels and other finite resources would crash. Causing less pillage of the earth but also a pretty interesting resetting of a global economy.
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sad to say, but I have a feeling it will be used more as a weapon...atomic, hydrogen, nuclear things of the past. I hope I am wrong, but it does seem thats the mankind way.
I'm a person that believes we will need to really start discussing such things as the Singularity very soon because technology and scientific discovery is speeding up exponentially. Medical knowledge known to man, throughout the last ~20K years will likely be doubled in the next 5 years.
Not a fan of the "God Particle" name either, I think it's misleading, but what is the reasoning physicists cite for disliking the title?
lol, nah man. Nuclear weapons are the biggest, strongest things you can use as a weapon and no one wants to use that. You can't wield anti-matter as a weapon. Not even freaking Achmedinejad would use a weapon on, say, Israel that basically just creates a black hole where the nation was.
agreed...the medical field has seen exponential growth and likely will be seeing more spikes in technology research/findings in the next few years
Singularity is likely something they are discussing now and with these findings are ready to see how it fits within the scheme of things
so can we make it small enough to only make Gamecock fans a black hole?
it's the argument: god vs. science
as scientists they have found what they believe to be the perfect way to describe and determine what happened in the "big bang"
to undermine the work they are doing and label it something other than science is unsettling for them
science works its tail off here only to be labeled the work of god and that's where the line is drawn
Ya seeing as how roughly 85 percent of the members of the National Academy of Sciences are self-confessed atheist/agnostics.
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...because science is proven. God is not. Jmo.
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Of course, they base their beliefs on what has been studied and observed through scientific inquiry. Hard for them to accept things they haven't as fact.
agreed, although that discussion would need its own thread
then the thread would get locked/deleted because of all the hate it brings
discussing religion is like kids fighting...a civil discussion of the matter is hard to come by from 2 differing sides
That's what I suspected, thank you.
I think the average person reads the name "God particle" and immediately assumes science has found evidence of god when that isn't the case at all. Unfortunately, it isn't easily understood by most so even those who go to investigate what all the fuss is about don't understand it or why it is significant. I certainly didn't understand any of it at first and I still don't fully comprehend after multiple explanations.
That why I put at least some stock in the argumentative theory of reasoning. Reasoning didn't evolve to find objective truth but to convince others of your view. Hence, the surplus of people who go into a career where you argue your side for money. Idealistically the truth is supposed to emerge through that debate but come on you can find flaws in that position.
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I assure you creationist theorists are right now trying to figure out a way to incorporate this into their doctrine.
If science found evidence of god, they would be the first to admit it...it religion found no evidence of god they would never speak such words.
It's the reality of human nature and one I've seen first hand on the latter side
I really hate that when people try to discuss religion v. science it gets really ugly pretty quick. People can never be civil about it. They can't listen to the other side's beliefs. They just wanna spout their nonsense and throw up a wall that people with other beliefs can never break through. That's the damn problem with society now. Nobody listens. Everybody speaks, but nobody listens.
convincing others of "your view" has been going on for milleniums...the whole religion notion has been an attempt to do just that since its creation
looking back at history there are countless examples of that
That's another thing I hate. I grew up in a strict, Catholic family. I lived in the Bible Belt surrounded by Southern Baptists, CoCs, etc. It sucked.
it is a difficult subject for sure, one I intentionally avoid unless I can't handle the things being said and I have to jump in to attempt to bring rationale to the subject...was in Cancun 2 weeks ago and it ended up happening with a group of friends...haha i really tried to stay out of it until someone said "science proves god exists and I can show you..." so I lost my ability to stay out of the conversation with that one
I am an atheist but I do respect those who have religious beliefs. I am no different in they are, just we see things differently. I can respect that as long as you are steadfast and don't waiver in your position.
not catholic but I did grow up in a southern babtist and a Nazarene church and what really rocked my faith the most as a young man was when I had one of my best friends growing up (he is black and an awesome guy) come to church with me. I was excited to bring him and that's what my church always talked about was bringing your friends to Christ, bring them to Jesus.
Well I did and the reception I got from the pastor and the congregation made me spite that place then and there. Pure un-adultered racism and bigotry. I talked to the pastor about it and his response was that his church was like a community and that my buddy had a community he could go to as well. I said what do you mean? Isn't this god's church and aren't we all members of his community? He just said I was too young to understand and that god knows what's best for everyone.
So what I realized then and there was that if God existed, he didn't exist in that church, in that man's mind. That man was just interested in what pleased and benefited him. So I swore that place off and went to the Nazarene church. I didn't finally come to terms with where I am on religion/god until about 3-4 years ago.
As an adult, unhinging yourself from all the things you held dear and sacred as a child is very hard to do.
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