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Now that the ACC has set the precedent that it will accept non-football members, how long before UT copies ND and moves its non-football sports to the ACC? The only reason UT didn't go independent two years ago was it had no reasonable home for its olympic sports. Well, now it does. In fact, the powers in the ACC (UNC and Duke) barely care about football. They would love to add UT basketball and expand their footprint to the great state of Texas (who wouldn't?). And UT actually flirted with the ACC a year ago. UT cuts a deal with the ACC for five conference games each year (just like ND) and also agrees to play ND every year in football. Throw in the Red River Rivalry and UT has a solid 7-game football schedule already locked down. And here's the kicker ... UT can put all of its home games in every sport on LHN. So, how long before this goes down?
This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by MrWoodson 19 months ago
this was a stupid idea when texas fans championed it two years ago, and it's stupid now. never happen. not worth thinking about.
I don't think it is that far fetched, but there eventually would have to be a limit on whether the ACC could allow another team to do this. You are essentially forcing your actuall full time members to play home and homes with a team that they possibly would rather not play. Imagine if you are a Florida St or Virginia Tech and in the middle of trying to get to the ACCCG, all of a sudden, you have to go to Austin, TX the first week of November to play, for the most part, a meaningless game. Most teams want that type of game out of the way early in the season so that they can concentrate on getting through their conference later in the season. If it's not one of the first few games or the last game on the schedule, teams are not going to want to play it.
Also, if Texas pulled the plug and decided to go this route, I think they could get the Big12 to keep the rest of their sports and lose football. As long as OU could keep the RRR, I don't think they would care and the Big12 would still want Texas as a market for basketball, IMO.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BetterOff 19 months ago
Ok. Except (a) all ACC schools will benefit financially, including VaTech, and (b) with a $50 million exit fee, the ACC members who might object don't have much of an alternative to accepting whatever the majority wants. Also, ESPN has a $300 million dog of an investment in LHN. ESPN also controls the ACC TV rights and 50% of the B12 TV rights. ESPN has a substantial motivation to help make this happen because LHN suddenly goes from a dog to a massive success.
Edit: Also, if you are right about the B12 allowing UT to become a non-football member, maybe that is the route UT takes. But UT still ends up independent for football, which is my primary premise.
I believe all Big 12 schools just signed a 13 year Grant of Rights, so at least 13 years.
You might be right, but that deal was announced less than two weeks ago IIRC. The new grant of rights might not even be signed by all parties yet. Also, people buy their way out of contracts all the time. Hell, we've seen it happen time and time again in the context of conference realignment. UT and ESPN have tons of creative and high priced lawyers. If they want out of the grant of rights early, they will find a way to make it happen.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 19 months ago
How did they set the precedent when ND was already in the same sort of situation in the BE?
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I mean they set the precedent for the ACC. No way was UT going to move its non-football sports to the BE. Basketball maybe, but not baseball, swimming, track & field, etc. But the ACC is entirely different. UT's non-football sports will fit in there very nicely. And so will UT academically. The ACC actually is a major upgrade from the unwashed masses in the B12 when it comes to academics. UT will absolutely love that aspect of this move.
Do you know why they turned down the big 12? Because we would not let them take our bowl games without joining in football. ACC, being desperate allowed them to take a bowl game each year.
Depending on the conference, $50 million can be made up very quickly. The difference in ticket sales alone could make up about $3 million or so per year and then when you add in an additional $5 million+ in revenue per year, that $50 million can go away very quickly. Not to mention that fact that FSU could probably get another conference to pony up 10-15 million of it for them, if I had to guess.
Never say never, but $50 million is a big number. And it's not exactly clear that the B12's TV contract would remain better then the ACC's over the long-term without Texas. This move by ND will result in some sort of increase for the ACC. If UT were to join for non-football sports too, my guess is that would bring the ACC close to even with the B12. And how much is the next B12 contract going to be worth without UT? Even if a school like FSU could come up with the $50 million, it would have to think long and hard about the long-term implications of moving to a B12 conference that no longer has Texas.
I always thought Texas would join the Big 10...
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Again, never say never, but I don't see it. The B10 would not let ND join without football and I can't see a scenario under which it would make an exception for UT either. The ACC, however, just opened that door for ND and there is no logical reason I can think of why they wouldn't do the same for UT. And that clears the path for UT to go indy. Why would UT join the B10 (or any conference) if it can instead go independent?
why would ut go independent when we are perfectly happy in the b12?
C'mon. The short answer is $$$$. But the long answer is no you're not. UT already has explored leaving the B12 at least twice in the past three years. Over that time period, the B12 has lost two of its signature members in Nebraska and TAMU and two of its largest media markets in St. Louis and Denver. And going into year two LHN is a bust. Of course, the holy grail that was going to fix all of this was adding ND to the B12 for non-football in the short-term with the goal of getting their football down the line. Deloss Dodds supposedly was working a deal with his buddy Jack Swarbrick to make that happen. As of yesterday, the ND plan is dead. And with it most likely any chance of luring FSU or any other school from the ACC. Brace yourselves, Longhorn fans, because the next sound you are going to hear is Deloss Dodds and the B12 welcoming Louisville and BYU to the league. Enjoy!
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by MrWoodson 19 months ago
I made the same argument about why FSU shouldn't leave the ACC. I got a million downvotes because I said the Big 12 is not stable. I only see two really stable conferences...SEC and PAC... Big 12 has the money but Penn St rumour from last year may be more real than a lot of people perceived... ACC and Big 12 are very unstable conferences... ACC had the advantage last year, this year the Big 12 had the advantage all summer, and then the ACC made a big move... Honestly if I was the ACC and was trying to save my conference I would go after Penn St. while they are cheap and down... weaken the B1G so it would force them to make a big move which would be for Texas... which would destroy the Big 12 and let things work themselves out from there...
Honestly one of those conferences is not going to last... (ACC or Big 12 I mean)
This post was edited by FSUTrackLoveFSU 19 months ago
Not saying any of it happens, but a Big12 without Texas would probably crumble and go away with 4-6 of the teams finding their way to the major conferences and the rest having to go a lesser route.....probably Big East or whatever they change the name to.
FSU doesn't even consider joining a Texas-less Big12.
Speaking hypothetically that Texas did want to go Independent of course.
lots i wrong info in that but lets say we do add Louisville and BYU. What does it matter? We still put 10x's the product on the field that anyone with exception to the SEC does.
Also, UT is collecting that check on the LHN regardless and there is no timeline to even give it bust status.
FSU would prob. jump at an invite to the big12 faster than an aggy on sec c*ck.
PSU is not going anywhere. First, they hate ND because of the double cross ND pulled on them back when PSU joined the B10. Second, the research funding benefits of the CIC (B10 research consortium) are substantial and dwarf anything on the athletic side. And third, without going through all the numbers, when the B10 renews its TV deal in 2015, those revenues combined with BTN revenues should be $40-45 million per year. The ACC won't be anywhere near that. The SEC*, B10* and Texas will be significantly ahead of everyone in a few years, even the P12. PSU has no interest in walking away from that.
* The SEC and B10 are the only two major conferences that have yet to renegotiate or renew their TV deals. The SEC is in the process of doing theirs now and it is expected to include some sort of SEC Network. The B10 will likely start their renewal negotiations in 2013.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson 19 months ago
as a result of other teams leaving the conference. never once did texas explore other options proactively.
not going to happen. it's been said many times - w/o teams that can make an impact to the bottom line (read: nd, fsu), there will be no b12 expansion. byu is a possibility given their network and fanbase, but louisville, cincy, etc have no shot at all.
ACC is forming a research consortium similar to the B1G and actually has universities that would make it more of a benefit to be a part of the ACCs version. PSU hates the B1G just as much as they hate ND. Penn St has money and the ACC TV deal would increase with the addition of both PSU and ND and that is not deniable. Not sure how much but just adding ND partially added 1.5million and would increase depending on if they join fully. PSU is one of the big fish in college football(not now of course but historically and fanbase proves this) so adding them to the ACC substantially increases the worth of any contract including them and ND. PSU's fanbase is eastern and it would be easier for them to travel to away ACC games. Its actually not that farfetched to think they would leave considering they don't gain much money(in the grand scheme of things) from athletics. So even if they took a 3-5million hit in athletic revunue with the ACC tv deal they gain:
-Just as academically competitive(maybe more) conference
-Return to the east: Bringing back all old rivalries
Louisville is not ND or FSU. That's not what I'm saying. But financially they are a much bigger player than people think. They also are one of the few options that would bring both competitive football and basketball. And they would expand the B12 into a new state to help offset the losses of Missouri and Colorado. Of the options left on the table, I would be very surprised if they aren't the next name on the B12's list (even ahead of BYU).
Idiotic thread so consider this a mercy post. Texas COULD go independent, but that has never been seriously considered. As Nebraska and Arkansas discovered, leaving behind traditional rivalries is never a plus. After 20 years Arky still doesn't have any rivalry games. Texas has always made far more money than any other college. It is not even close. That was before the lucrative LHN contract. Texas has already signed non-conference series with Notre Dame, USC, BYU and Maryland. That trend will continue. Who knows, maybe someday Arkansas will gather the courage to complete their twice-postponed series with Texas. Couple that with a much strengthened Big 12 and the future is bright indeed .
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