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You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't just "create a research consortium". The CIC has been in existence for decades and is by far the dominant such entity in the country. PSU's research funding has skyrocketed since they joined the B10. And ND is not joining the ACC for football. ND played PSU and the B10 with that card for years. Then the BE. Then the B12. They are now playing the ACC. If you want to believe ND joining for non-football sports is just the first step to ND joining as a full member, go ahead. You are deluding yourself, but you won't be the first person. It's not happening.
This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by MrWoodson 19 months ago
For football or as a nation?
Arky is laughing all the way to the bank. And because it worked out so poorly for them, Nebraska, TAMU, Colorado and Missouri followed. Look, I will be extremely happy to see UT remain in the B12. I see UT as much more of a threat as an independent. So I hope you're right. I'm just looking at the numbers and the logic of the situation and I think the clock is ticking and it's only a matter of time before UT goes off on its own. We will just have to wait and see which one of us is right.
Well the thing about ND is they are leaching just in case conferences implode they have a foot in the door... IF and that is IF one of the big conferences implodes then ND as an independent will have no chance at a playoff due to inability to schedule games....considering most games will be devoted to conference opponents... I'm not deluding myself Im giving a hypothetical situation in which ND would be forced to make a choice...which would be the ACC...and as far as a research consortium not just being created obviously you have to create one otherwise the CIC would not exist. I said the ACC is in the process of making one meaning they don't have one but ACC schools have begun the process by getting benefits for doing things as peer universities. While it in no way has the benefits of the CIC right now, this is the beginning. Both do similar things for the member institutions while the ACCIAC is not as beneficial currently, it is working towards being the same type of system.
Visit the ACC International Academic Collaborative page to find out more about how the ACCIAC works to expand study abroad opportunities and realize the potential for research and service.
Walking up these hills you have no choice but to be fast!
The ACC has some tremendous research universities. So do other conferences. And I am sure the ACC has some mechanisms in place for coordinating research and working together. My simple point was that the CIC was started back in the 50s and has a huge head start. Just like BTN was started five years ago and has a head start over the P12 network and any network the ACC might someday start. You are asking PSU to walk away from all that, for what? So they can play Syracuse and Pitt more often? It makes no sense. PSU has four OOC games a year and I can count on one hand how many times they have played Syracuse and Pitt since they joined the B10. Pitt has begged them repeatedly to get on the schedule only to be rebuffed. And you misunderstand the history between PSU and ND if you think ND has some special appeal for PSU. ND is a negative not a positive. But, hey, the B10 has no exit fee. If PSU or anyone else wants to leave, the door is open. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
My God I want to believe you don't actually believe this but I know better
feel free to produce any evidence to the contrary.
Roger, are you saying UT won't leave the B12 or you don't want them to leave? Or both? And if you don't want them to leave, why not?
if you're following the quoted conversation: i'm saying i'd like to see status try and produce one piece of evidence that texas proactively looked at joining any other conference.
if you'd like me to answer your question which has nothing to do w/ the quoted conversation: ut isn't leaving the b12. ut never wanted to leave the b12 - every move ut made in regards to talking to the p10/12 or acc was reactionary.
and no, i don't want texas to leave the b12. hell, i'd have preferred to keep the b12 as it was. as much as i hate the retards from college station, that's a LONG history to throw away, and i like talking shlt to my aggy friends. nebraska is nebraska. cu may suck, but that trip to boulder every couple of years was great. mizzou is meh, but they're a high scoring, pretty good meh. i'm happy w/ tcu and wvu as football opponents, but they bring next to zero otherwise. tcu has good baseball most years and wvu will be good in hoops, but other than that? i liked the b12 circa 2011.
i see absolutely zero benefit to going independent in fb and parking our non-rev sports in another conference. it's geographically stupid.
Laughing all the way to the bank? Arkansas' total revenue was 92 million. Nebraska's was 84 million. Texas? A cool 150 million. It is good to be king.
I don't see Texas going independent until something drastic happens with the college football playoff system(like 16 teams) or other confernces start seeing teams go that route. There is no benefit to going independent aside from money and in case you haven't noticed, Texas has plenty of that.
Texas stridently made an effort to keep the Big 12 together. They never truly entertained the thought of going elsewhere unless Oklahoma did. In that scenario they only vetted the option of the Pac 12 because at that point they'd have to get in where they fit in. The Big 12 would've collapsed. Oklahoma was the one pursuing the Pac 12 but they weren't wanted unless Texas came with them.
ND can stay independent because their true motive is money. They're not naive enough to believe that they can truly compete consistently for national titles. Indepent status is their calling card and what they consider a part of what makes them special. ND has never been concerned with fitting in. They're too concerned with being considered unique and special. That is their downfall and partly why they can't compete for national titles. They have their priorities in the wrong order.
Texas has it made in the Big 12 in the years that they win it. They'll automatically be tied into the major bowls and in most years the playoff system. The only real threat is Oklahoma. Why give that up to go independent, while still playing the only real threat in Oklahoma, and risk being constanly left out of the playoff system. If they lose to Oklahoma while independent and Oklahoma wins the Big 12 with a comparable record, who's getting the playoff invite? 9 times out of 10 it will be Oklahoma.
this^, about 2025 at the earliest NOT gonna happen
You don't have Aggy anymore. WVU is now in the conference. Oklahoma is NOT the only threat.
Why do fans obsess over how much money their program rakes in as if they'll ever see dime one of it?
I blame fantasy football.
Everyone thinks their god-damned Theo Epstein these days.
Oklahoma has never been the only threat. I am very happy to have WVU join, but don't overstate your importance, little one. Viewed over the span of more than one season, you are no less a threat than Oklahoma State, Tech, Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, TCU, etc., but certainly not more.
Your wrong about the pac 12 not wanting Oklahoma if Texas didn't come. The hold up was Oklahoma wanted to bring little brother along for some reason and the pac12 balked at okie lite coming. If Oklahoma had agreed to leave lil bro OU would have been in the pac 12 and Texas would have likely gone as well. Texas always wanted to keep the conference intact and was willing to what it took to do so, but if not they were looking at options.
Listen to you guys. You are arguing over who tried to leave first. The fact is both UT and OU have seriously explored leaving the B12 at least twice during the past three years. They simply couldn't get a deal they liked well enough. If either one of them ever finds an acceptable alternative, buh-bye B12.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 19 months ago
I'm not arguing over who wanted to leave first cause I really didn't care. They made a point the pac 12 wouldn't take Ou without Texas and I said they was but Ou wouldn't leave without lil bro. If Ou was willing to leave okie lite Ou would've been the school to join not Utah.
You act like it was your choice to take Oklahoma State out of the goodness of your heart when that's simply not the case. Both of your schools are tied at the hip via the state legislature.
This post was edited by Tom Riddle 19 months ago
Why would they? The run the Big XII.
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