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Traditionally, Nebraska is a much better job. The money is on the side of Arkansas, but not so much that it will actually matter. Facilities are great at both schools. I think winning at the level that Nebraska used to will never happen again, but I don't think it is going to happen at Arkansas either.
Pelini would be foolish to leave, but if it was a coach with no ties to either and had to pick between the two, it would be a toss up right now, IMO.
One thing you can say is that Nebraska will always be committed to football. If Mike Anderson gets Arkansas basketball back to what it was during the Nolan days, I am not sure football will always be their top priority anymore. Football became a bigger deal at Arkansas because basketball sucked there.
I would never leave Nebraska for Arkansas unless I was given ownership in Walmart.
Nebraska has the tradition but I would say Arkansas is a better job right now.
Couldn't disagree more. There has always been a short term ebb and flow at the top of the CFB hierarchy, but some programs have the history, tradition and money to carry them through down periods and bounce back very quickly. LSU has been hot recently, but there's no guarantee that will stick long term. A bad coaching hire or two and they easily could slide back to the middle of the pack in the SEC. The opposite is true for programs like Bama and Oklahoma and Michigan and ND. Bama was nothing special for nearly a decade before Saban arrived, but look at them again now. Michigan was an absolute dumpster fire under RR. And ND has wandered in the wilderness for close to two decades, but one good coaching hire and they are back among the elite instantly. I don't think a program like Arkansas or even LSU are in that same category. Even a school like Miami, which dominated much of the 80s and 90s, is now to the point where it might never come back. Who would have predicted that ten years ago?
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by MrWoodson 17 months ago
You'd be surprised. A lot of the commits Michigan has gotten the past two years cite tradition as one of the factors as to why they chose us.
And you say they care about the passion of a fanbase? Then why are you arguing Ark over Neb in the first place?
And lol @ LSU and UF being a better job than Mich. NFL you say? Minus RichRod, Michigan pumps out way more NFL talent than those 2 schools. People have such short memories nowadays.
This post was edited by TAMUWolverine 17 months ago
LSU and UF are better jobs, but this thread is about Arkansas. I don't think you are going to have anyone argue that Nebraska is a better job than UF or LSU at this time.
And passion of the fan base. I think Nebraska would win that in a land slide over Arkansas. We have only sold out every game since 1963 even in the Callahan years where we were getting blown out every seat was filled.
I don't think Pelini is leaving for Arkansas, unless he is having issues with the new AD or with Perlman.
LSU has the teflon nowadays. They have incredible in-state talent and east Tejas might as well be in-state. They had hosses even when they sucked ass. Lending to your point though, they've won enough now that they will always be a good hire away from being really solid again. Point taken on Arky.
Personally, I have a lot of respect for Nebraska, and they're definitely in perma-blue-blood status. They can reach across the midwest and get kids, and occasionally across the country. The B1G is easier to win in most years, while still carrying the prestige it's always had.
The only thing I don't get is the money argument. If your program could afford 10m/year, then money isn't an issue. Because nobody is going to break that barrier for fear of public perception of their priorities. Both can easily afford that. Now...if we're bidding on a country, Arky wins several times over unless I'm missing someone with Nebraska ties. Arky has Walton money, which combined would exceed Warren Buffett money (and maybe Gates money combined). They also have guys like Jerry Jones. Money isn't a problem for Arky. The idea of living in Arky is the problem.
Lol what da F goes through your head? Why would anyone want to coach a team that would have a losing record in the Sun Belt? Also their best recruiting class ever was 33rd.. Arkansas is a joke and always has been. Nobody wants to go to a doo doo football program. Nebraska has won Heismans and titles....Arkansas has well won pretty much nothing.
This post was edited by Bill Cutting 17 months ago
LMAO. The only thing that could make this result better would be the NCAA granting Taylor Martinez an extra four years of eligibility.
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Both schools have very wealthy donors. Nebraska has the Ricketts and Warren Buffet. And people who do not believe Nebraska has facilities on par with any program in the country clearly have never visited. Arky was nowhere until Petrino arrived and it's a huge question mark which way they will go without him. I'm not saying it's a bad program, but it's silly to suggest it's better than Nebraska simply because they've had a few good years and Nebraska has had a few mediocre ones. That's just the normal ebb and flow in CFB. Tennessee is down right now too, but it's a much better job (and program) than Arkansas. One good coaching hire and UT will be competitive again with UF and UGA in the SEC East.
I wonder why a Michigan man with Bo ties turned down Michigan to stay at LSU.
You say the ones that came site that, but the question is what do the guys that don't go there site?
Because that Michigan man slept with Moeller's wife back in the day and Lloyd holds hella grudges.
Miles will never get that job while Lloyd Carr is alive.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Look at the results from the NFL drafts from 2002-2012 minus the Rich Rod years. Let my facts speak for themselves. You will notice that Michigan didn't produce more NFL draft choices than both LSU and Florida in any year.
LSU - 5
Michigan - 3
FL - 2
LSU - 6
FL - 4
Michigan - 2
FL - 9
Michigan - 7
LSU - 5
LSU - 7
FL - 3
Michigan - 3
LSU - 3
FL - 3
Michigan - 3
LSU - 7
FL - 5
Michigan - 4
FL - 8
Michigan - 6
LSU - 4
FL - 8
LSU - 5
Michigan - 4
LSU 5+6+5+7+3+7+4+5 = 42 draft choices
FL 2+4+9+3+3+5+8+8 = 42 draft choices
Mich 3+2+7+3+3+4+6+4 = 32 draft choices
By the way, current players in the NFL:
LSU - 38
FL - 32
Michigan - 25
Les turned down UM because he feels he has something special at LSU, and he loves the state of Louisiana. That's perfectly fine and I respect Les for staying. But I don't think LSU has an advantage over Mich in anything from a coaching standpoin except for in state talent (but a lack of in state talent has never hurt Mich anyways) and conference power (recruits who just want to play SEC ball)
And recruits who don't cite that, usually say things like family atmosphere, academics, just things like that.
Wow, you owned me. Nice job. I admit I was wrong on that
The list of jobs better than Michigan is extremely short, IMO. I don't think people in.the south can appreciate the magnitude of Michigan football.
I've been lucky enough to attend games at both...monstrous games, even. Mind blowing experiences.
Gun to my head, I'm taking Michigan over LSU. However, there are arguments to be made.
Oh, and Nebraska shits on Arkansas.
Really when you are talking about the top 10-15 jobs in the country they are all great and very little to distinguish them.
A good coach can win at any of them.
Nebraska has five national titles since 1970 (three in the 90s alone). How many does Arky have during that period? Nebraska has struggled a bit since the retirement of legendary coach Tom Osborne, but what elite program hasn't gone through the same thing? And even despite that, they are on track to play in their third BCS bowl since 1998. They are fourth in all-time wins and have 43 conference championships. Arky has 13 conference championships, all from their SWAC days. They have never sniffed an SEC title. Arky is about as relevant a football program as Illinois or Iowa.
I don't think Nebraska is a top 10-15 job anymore
Iowa is a much better job than Arkansas.
Send Arkansas back to the big 12
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