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Clear pattern for the JoePA apologist
Today, the Wall Street Journal ran a fantastic, must-read article which details Joe Paterno’s refusal to cooperate with former Penn State chief disciplinarian Vicky Triponey. Emails uncovered by the paper reveal a myriad incidents in which Paterno did his best to bail out Penn State football players who were accused of infractions ranging from shooting arrows to sexual assault. What’s worse, in emails, Triponey voiced her concerns to Graham Spanier about Paterno’s belief that football players shouldn’t be subject to the same punishment as other students. Really. Check out this bit of tid: [WSJ] In an Aug. 12, 2005, email...
I don't think anyone on this site has been close to a JoePa apologist recently.
Living in PA - you get a reaction similar to Tebow mania when you say Tim is not an NFL QB - "you're Satan" when you point out fact that Joe was part of the coverup.
It would be a similar reaction if CNN was reporting that Bear covered something like this up - there would be death threats
I've thought about this hard of Nick Saban had a similar cover up at Bama/LSU/Michigan State. I'd want the door slammed on his ass so hard that Bubba would have an easy time with him in prison.
Yup, Living in the heart of PSU country has been terrible.
It's very easy to say that from a distance. ND fans are ok with Brian Kelly and he was arguably the cause of a student's death. People outside were outraged. It is what it is. It's much easier to say how you would react when it doesn't involve something you have an attachment to.
Having an attachment SHOULD mean you hold it to a higher standard because it makes you look bad when poor decisions are made, especially when those decisions affect others on a grand scale.
Maybe that's just me.
Not to trivialize or say this is similar to a child making poor grades, but it's an example of how I view things. I don't much care if another student makes a specific grade in a class (and believe me, I have a 12 year old, I've heard the 'so and so got ____' before), I care what my daughter does. I don't care if another child bullies another student, I care what my daughter does. Point being, we should hold the people we love to a higher standard and expect better and more of them than we do the general public or another group we're not affiliated with.
If this happened in Tuscaloosa, you're wrong in thinking many Alabama fans wouldn't be calling for the heads of all involved and probably many indirectly involved. I've seen it happen first hand, just not at this level.
Sorry, if this happened to Bear, same shit would have happened. Some fans would be on one side and some fans would be less inclined to believe it without the full picture. Please do not pretend PSU is the only school that would have reacted this way and Bama is immune. That's just crazy. PSU is a bit unique in that we had a coach who was such an important figure, unlike many big schools (Bama is different with Bear obviously, as he fits the Joe mold in importance to a university).
But give me a break. I don't buy that for one second. And many people did call for Joe's head right away on the PSU board, but the ones who don't agree with the majority always seem the loudest.
I feel the same way & I have been an Alabama fan for 43 years & the only college team that I want to win every time they play. I doubt I could ever cheer for Alabama again if they covered something like this up.
PSU should be given the death penalty and kicked out of the B1G
I have an MBA...Master at Being Amazing
Please don't mistake me for a Bama fan, but i can tell you for a fact that if anything like this would've happened under Bear's watch, the guilty party would've been run out of the school and hung out to dry accordingly. Bear loved to drink and loved women even more, but he would've railroaded a child molester..
Much different from the point I was making. I was talking about fan reactions to something like this. Reread my original statement.
Correct, you do hold your own child (university) to a higher standard but at the same time you also owe it the benefit of the doubt until all facts are out. And regardless of the amount of times your kid may come home with bad grades it won't make you love them any less. That is the crux of the struggle for PSU fans. Regardless what happens from this point forward there will still be 40,000 graduates a year from what is broadly considered one of the top public institutions in the country. PSU grads will go on to do great things, raise millions of dollars every year for children w/ cancer (THON) and yes...we will enjoy the escape that our football program brings to us. Ask me what we should do? None of us are supporting those that have been implicated. Schultz and Curley have been charged in a court of law, their issues have been documented. Spanier, due to recent info, will be next.
The Bear Bryant example is perfect if you ask me. I guarantee Bama fans would be reacting in exactly the same way if BB were involved in a similar controversy. You would be waiting for all of the information before you could truly believe that a man you revered so wholeheartedly could do something wrong. I am 31 years old and some of my oldest memories are of watching PSU football games with my dad while JoePa paced the sidelines. I've known nothing else. I am a fully informed, intelligent, worldly individual. I am not some cultist. I, like you, spent a very impressionable part of my youth as a fan of a college football team. I then went to that school to get my degree. It defines a very large percentage of who I am. Joe Paterno, for better of worse, is weaved very heavily into my narrative. That is not something you just forget about, or erase from record. It will take a long time for me to fully come to grips with what really happened when and if we get the entire story.
It must be so very easy for all of you sitting on the outside looking in to pass judgement on this. Of course you would throw the baby out with bathwater, switch allegiances burn all your jerseys and move to another state. Of course you would.
I'm not going to sit here and say Joe was this or Joe was that. The Freeh report and Joe Posnanski's book should both be out by the end of the summer and I believe that we will all get the entire story with no worthless national media slant. I just want someone to lay the facts out in front of me. I will always love my university and I really don't care what you think about that.
everywhere isn't like that.
Most Ohio State fans turned on Tressel quickly.
Arkansas turned on bobby Petrino quckly
I would say most places get very angry when they find out who they thought someone was is a lie. Penn State did not react that way at all, they had a riot in the streets to support him without knowing the whole story. (not that we know the whole story now, but we know enough to question his ethics)
Clearly, we are just bad people. Because 2000 students = all of Penn State. 10000 students at the vigil < 2000 rioters. Clearly.
This is no different than when people were saying that Centre Co residents with PSU ties would never convict Sandusky. Some people just want to believe the worst and reality isn't going to change that. We have become a society that revels in "the downfall". Out of one side of our mouths we talk about how bad it is to label a group of people something and out the other we call a fanbase/students/alumni "cultists".
Good point... I respect what you said. I'm sure it's much different being on the inside of the scandal than outside. I've spent some time thinking what I'd do in a similar circumstance if happened to Alabama. Quite frankly there has never been a scandal remotely similar in NCAA athletics before. Would be interesting if one of the administers steps forwards makes a deal and spills all of his information.
OSU fans had a rally outside of Tressel's house, so please don't tell me they turned on him right away. Many of their fans still believe he should still be there and is a great man (I think he's a pretty good dude too). Petrino was definitely guilty of his transgressions and was the central actor, instead of covering up for a coach who cheated on his wife. Those situations were much more cut and dry. The PSU situation has had a whole lot of ifs attached to it. Hello apples, meet oranges.
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I called for Tressel's head as soon as the facts came out. You can go back and look at my posts (and the timeline) on Bucknuts. It was not a popular stance early on.
Of course, Tressel's failure was extremely minor compared to Paterno's.
I can see Ohio State still honoring Tressel's legacy as time goes on. While Paterno will forever be a disgusting embarrassment to Penn State.
Exactly. Tressel wasn't turned on very quickly as this eer is making it sound. I also said Paterno should have been fired and effed up right away (I'm still not sure how badly he messed up, nobody is. It ranges from gross negligence to covering it up, I'm not sure where on that spectrum). That's not the point I was trying to make at all though.
You're still not sure?
LULZ....delusional Penn State fans.
Well, these types of delusions were a big reason the crimes were covered up.
Joe Pa cared about Penn State football above everything else. Including the welfare of children.
U/V despite your normally being wrong. You are dead on here.
Pic Sigs are for losers.
True. Can't believe I agree with Devidee on something.
This is exactly my point though. Its much easier to turn on Tressel when he had been there only 10 years. Joe Paterno had been at PSU for 60+ years. People my parents' age had never known anything different. Its much easier to turn on someone you have only known for a short time than it is to turn on one of your oldest and trusted friends. It really doesn't much matter what that person turns out to be in the end because you still have to take the time to reconcile all of the emotions and fond memories you have. Again I ask that those on the outside of the situation refrain from slinging arrows toward those of us who are conflicted by these events. We are not bad people. We are sickened by what happened. However, we can not just flip a switch and wipe our heads clean of the past.
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