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RG3 did it against who exactly?
Go Blue & Gig Em'!
Teo shouldn't win if Johnny isn't in the discussion
3 time POTW, member since 2006, MLWTI: 4-3
This apparent TD that you people keep saying happened would have only TIED the game. As it turns out, guy's forward progress was stopped, no TD, and I do believe Te'o was right there in the middle of the action. Just sayin.
3 time POTW
I am an Aggie, but I would just ask if you think Johnny's stats are inflated for some reason or not against good competition or 2 bad games or whatever reason, is that enough to outweigh what he has done, while breaking records the whole season? He played some down teams, but how was that his fault? He went out and went undefeated on the road in the SEC, beat Ole Miss after our defense let them back in the game, same with La Tech, and game out blazing and never gave other teams a chance, like Miss State, Arky, Mizzou, Bama (even though he had to fight to the end here). He also sat out over 2 games throughout the season by blowing out teams early. Then there is the value to a team. Think about how much value he had to A&M. Without him, we are likely mediocre and 6-6 or 7-5, but he brought out the emotion and got every player to buy into a freshman QB leading his team through this season, and came out with a 10 win season.
If you still want to look as stats, Johnny had 9 less TD's than Teo did solo tackles (43 and 52 respectively). It is hard to compare defensive player to an offensive player, but Johnny is as much the heart of A&M team as Te'o is to Notre Dame IMO. And that is with giving out RB's 15 TD's within the opponents 5 yard line that he could have easily run in himself but I won't go there.
As far as Klein goes, come on now, it is easy to compare QB's, and he had 6 games (half his schedule) where he threw for less than 200 yards and 3 100 yard rushing games. Johnny has less than 200 yards passing in 3 games (one where he only played have a game) and 6 100 yard rushing games.
I think Klein and Te'o are great players and not taking anything away from them, only presenting stats to make a case for him and while he may not be an ideal candidate with a couple blemishes on his record, what do the other finalists or anyone have that makes them more qualified or deserving than Manziel?
This post was edited by ChallengerAg 19 months ago
feels good, no lie.
I've seen where 4 Oklahoma journalist, that voted, made this same argument and that's why they all voted for Manti..
This post was edited by star69 19 months ago
I did see what you wrote
My problem with Teo is, when looking at the last few defensive guys given a shot at the Heisman (Suh, Matthieu, etc.), he's not the strongest of potential defensive winners (Suh was, IMO). Now, the rest of the field isn't as strong as it was in those years (Manziel being the only real competitor, get out of here with this Klein crap) but I find myself wondering if Teo was on any other team (and was still undefeated), would he be getting as much love?
Nothing wrong with it, that's how voting works.
He has 42 more tackles than anyone else on ND's defense...the #1 scoring defense in the nation. He is 2nd among all linebackers for passes defended. He blows away every linebacker in interceptions and is tied for third in the nation in interceptions among all players. How is that an "average year"?
Scored 4 touchdowns...in a single game. Polk High!
Do explain how they "should have lost" that Stanford game? BTW, Te'o did stop the rb on that play...that is why they are undefeated and in the NC game. Just another great game saving play by Te'o.
1st in tackles on the top scoring defense in the nation. 2nd if you are clueless and making crap up...again. Did you ever figure out what player is better on ND's defense? First you claimed Nix...who ya got now?
Yeah that is not a big stat at all. Who cares how good a player on defense can cover someone.
Gerhart, Ingram, McCoy, Tebow, and Suh are 5 good reasons why. Te'o had more tackles in both 2011 and 2010 this year. No one would say he was a better player last year than he is this year. The #1 tackler in the nation last year was on a team that ranked 100th in scoring defense. Te'o had 42 more tackles than any other player on a team that ranked #1 in scoring defense. He also lead the team in interceptions.
LOL at trying to compare 14 game to 12.
This post was edited by dpfenny 19 months ago
He's a hell of a player but you're boasting about him being 65th in the country in Passes Defended?
second among all linebackers. He is first among all linebacker and tied for 3rd overall in INTs. Three more than the next closest LB.
I understand the passes defended #'s versus LB but can you not see how that's really an irrelevant stat for LB's?
Not at all. If you are asked to drop back more in coverage and defend against the pass will it not affect several other stats that are often quoted?
Really, link the NCAA stat on that. Tell us all again how Te'o is the 2nd leading tackler on ND.
So CBS sports is a good link but USAToday and Athlon are not?
...from the article I linked and you attempted to discredit...The final survey of USA TODAY Sports Media Group members with official Heisman votes indicate a likely photo finish between Manziel and Te'o.
Your Honey Badger gets invited to the ceremony because he returns two punts and a couple of fumbles for tds. And, he wasn't even the best defensive back on your team. Plus he sat a game due to a little "buzz" thing he was doing. And you're campaigning against someone who broke two SEC Heisman QBs TOTAL yardage records? You must be getting a little buzz yourself.
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