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25 total TDs
5 total TDs
Edit: These are only the stats against winning teams from BCS conferences, so it doesn't include Manziel's games vs. La Tech or Sam Houston State.
Discuss. . .
This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by thejumper5 16 months ago
BornToBeRed said: WPS, just a head's up. We might be the most family-friendly board on the network, so take it easy on your normal wps-ness.
Yeah, I was just passing the stat along that I read on a Tweet from the Big XII. Now that I check the stats myself, it isn't close to being right. I'll get the right stats and fix the OP.
Double checked. These are only their numbers vs. winning teams from BCS conferences, so it doesn't include Manziel's stats vs. La Tech or Sam Houston.
interesting stat - T'eo, Notre Dame: 12-0
This post was edited by ifinnen 16 months ago
but actually, off of just production on the field...I think the clear winner is Manziel
Put up their stats vs TOP 10 teams ... Thanks ...
I think if I had a vote, I would be torn between Klein and Manziel. Here are some tempo free numbers:
Yards per carry--
Yards per pass attempt--
Rush attempts per touchdown:
Pass Attempts per touchdown:
I think I give Manziel the slight edge, but it's very close between the two.
My first point would be-
-Put Manziel in the Big 12 instead of SEC and ask yourself, would his numbers look better or worse than they do now?
I think we can agree he would have put up better numbers in the big 12 because there are zero elite defenses this year.
-Put Klein in the SEC. Does his numbers look better or worse than they do now?
I'm going to say that there is no way he looks better in the SEC and he probably looks significantly worse.
My Second point, after considering the caliber of defense that both QB's played against, would be to compare the final yardage totals over 12 games-
Manziel- total offense: 4600yds
Klein- total offense: 3390yds
Not to mention that the Big12 beat absolutely no one in their OOC schedule. How many of those 7-5's become 6-6 if they would have played someone?
Plus, I don't think anyone is accounting for Klein getting to play 9 Big12 defenses.
Klein's are impressive!
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The numbers need perspective...Record and total defense rank of those teams:
KSU BCS opponents with winning record total defense ranking nationally:
West Virginia(7-5) 107th
Texas Tech(7-5) 39th
Oklahoma St(7-5) 82nd
Texas Christian(7-5) 18th
Texas A&M BCS opponents with winning record total defense ranking:
Miss State(8-4) 58th
Klein faced 3 defenses ranked in the top 74 defense nationally. One is Texas Tech which is not as advertised. I will explain at the end of the post.
The best defense Klein faced was TCU(18th)...his numbers were:
12/21 145 yards 0 TDs 1 INT 15 rushes for 50 yards and 2 TDs
These were his numbers against the 2nd best defense he faced(Oklahoma - 44th):
13/21 149 0 TDs 0 INTs 17 rushes 79 yards 1 TD
I'm sorry but Texas Tech's defense is not as advertised. Midway through the season, they were ranked 1st nationally and they shut down WVU so we al thought it might be legit. Well, it wasn't. They got there by playing NW State, Texas State, New Mexico, and Iowa State to open the season. 7 of the final 8 opponents went on to score 34 or more points...4 went for 50+.They ended the season giving 31.8 PPG which ranks 93rd nationally so I have no idea how they have a defense ranked 39th nationally in total defense.
In the end, posting numbers that Klein put up against some of the worst defenses in the national and comparing them to Manziel's numbers against some of the strongest defenses nationally is simply idiotic. I like Klein and he is a really good player on a really good team. Manziel is simply incredible.
Really solid post, except that you simply do not need to call people idiotic because they disagree with you. That is completely uncalled for. Determining the Heisman, given the incredibly small sample size of just 12 games, is very subjective. People will have varying opinions. That doesn't make them idiots.
I didn't call anyone an idiot...If someone believes he is better or more deserving of the Heisman, I'm cool with that. I don't care who wins it. I was simply stating that someone threw numbers out there and suggested that they are indicative of comparing performance between the 2 and I think that is idiotic. Maybe idiotic is not the right word. We all do stupid things sometimes, knowingly or through ignorance. It's really not that big of a deal. If someone is going to compare anything, at least give some substance behind the numbers.
It's almost like you are admitting thay aTm has equal talent on offense at the skill positions as Oregon?
Do you think that is the case?
Show me Kleins stats against a defense ranked in the top 10? I'll hold while you gather them.
Since that's not going to happen, show me his stats vs OU (#44 in total defense) or TCU ( #18 in total defense) or Baylor (#119 in total defense)....
You act like Johnny was padding stats against bad competition but keep in mind that every team plays poor competition at some point in the season AND that Manziel often didnt play in the 3rd and 4th quarter of games because the score was so lopsided by that point. Hard to pad stats when you're not on the field...
Nick Florence from Baylor has more Total O than Manziel or Klein.
Scored 4 touchdowns...in a single game. Polk High!
Considering you are a cyclops - I'm surprised you can see anything without bias
Lies, damned lies and statistics.
Another QB with the benefit of playing against 9 Big12 defenses.
What year he is has no relevance. He is a redshirt freshman. He was on campus last year, practiced and traveled with the team last year. He played spring ball and is now in his second season with the team. Also, freshman eligibility did not even start until the 1972 season.
Well since I wrote "Total O" I was meaning total offense. Florence has 4652 and Manziel has 4600. Klein is all the way back in 30th place with 3380 yards. Jordan Lynch has more but it is with 13 games.
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