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Cliffs: Miami is the guy that got caught dead to rights robbing a bank....goes to court with literally no defense.....only it comes out that the cop forgot to read a couple of lines of his Miranda rights....so he gets set free on a technicality and then runs out of the courtroom, finds the nearest camera and and starts crying and thanking almighty God for his blessings and his justice in helping him beat these trumped up charges.
In other words, Ray Lewis 2.0..... all praise and glory be to God.
All I know is if they give us much more trouble, Miami will finally have themselves a nice little start to funding a stadium. I'd say $50 million'ish.
Golden is better then Jimbo... I feared it was true. He is going to hoist a crystal ball there - fsufsu
I had this same discussion with numerous usc fans before they got hit. They thought that common sense, fairness or rules were a part of the ncaa sanctions process.... but it isn't.
Bama fans have bn literally screaming since the 90s and nobody listened. Now we lol when people try to figure anything out bc there simply is no fair process in their dealings.
No, that ain't quite it.
They are the guy that got arrested for robbing 5 banks. They screwed up one of the arrest, so he is only being charged with robbing 4 of the banks. 80% of the evidence remains. That is a more accurate analogy.
In both of bamas major cases, it was proven that info used was either false or coerced. One guy was even paid by auburn boosters to say that bama paid him. At least two university members recieved 7 figure settlements. But it did nothing to help bama's sanctions.
As for miami, there has been no slander and nothing really to sue for. If they don't use the faulty info, miami won't get any money.
The basis is the economic impact that it has on PA. Now before you say "oh, well all sanctions have an impact", the arguement is that there was no NCAA bylaw that was violated in the Penn State case. That cannot be said for any other case against the NCAA. So the state is attacking the NCAA on anti-trust issues. Being a monopoly, the NCAA needs to act in a manner that is without predujice and also without abusing their power. They have failed in both regards. No program was ever threatened with a multi-year death penalty for anything let alone something that did not break NCAA bylaws. Emmert and the NCAA can claim that this went against their "morality clause" all they want, but the fact of the matter is, they have never punished an organization for this. Not Baylor when their coach covered up murder. Not Washington with their coach covered up rape. Not Notre Dame when their players harrased a rape victim to the point where she killed herself. Nor should they... that is for the courts to decide, not the NCAA.
I agree with you. I was giving the Cliff's of how fans of the U are portraying this. They seem to think that they're going to walk with not additional penalites.
I think they're nuts but....we shall see.
There has been slander for two and a half years. They funded an attorney to break both federal & NCAA laws. They've cost Miami $20 million in bowl games. The amount total is way higher than that in ticket sales, donations, etc.. Using rogue investigators & burner phones is the icing on the cake. This is a textbook lawsuit case.
Still don't quite have it.
Add on that the "cops" conducting the investigation make the two dudes from Training Day look like saints
You have to add that the informant was a felon sitting in jail for running a Ponzi scheme through the 5 banks
3 post season bans, practice limitations, visit limitations and scholly reduction isn't enough?
You assume much in your statement. If the NCAA were trying to get more nails in the Miami coffin, they lost some nails, but that does not mean 80% of their evidence is soft.
They may have simply lost more nails that they had at their disposal.
Yeah, I am sure Miami will challenge the penalities, if they are more than the self imposed penalties. With due diligence, any program would do that. The question is: at what point does Miami just accept the penalty and move on? The longer it looms uncertain, the longer it hurts your program.
Back when the NCAA hit FSU, when FSU had already self-imposed/fired/removed those then, AND got the blessing of the NCAA & ACC, FSU fans were screaming for someone to look into the hypocrisy that is the NCAA. No one disputes the NCAA is awfully managed, but I am not sure how Miami can say it should skate either (if evidence is confirmed).
He only took them for like $950 million though. No big deal.
The ncaa found that you hid the crimes to avoid football issues. That is the very definition of what they're there to stop. Those other cases were just bad people while psu was bad people being allowed to dirt to save football.
The state can sue all they want but it's just politics. The only group that will move the ncaa is congress and you'll be done with any penalties by the time that happens.
You serious? 20 million? Ur barely a .500 team, ur not gonna get into major bowls. Even then that money is shared throughout the conference.
They haven't slandered miami or even imposed any penalties. You can blame them for self imposed penalties based on ur university's investigation.
They havent done anything to miami. Theyve only flubbed their own investigation and made some of the info inadmissible.
ACC championship + Orange Bowl says otherwise.
Math isn't your strong point.
I blame lawyers
lawyers are the root of all evil
never met one that i didn't want to strangle
pretentious ball lickers they are
Umm... all those other cases were specifically about "avoiding issues with football (or basketball for Baylor)". It doesn't matter "what they are trying to stop", they have never acted upon their morality clause. Ever. The problem with that is that monopolies are held to much higher standards in the court of law than are other private organizations. Basically, you cannot pick and choose... if you have a rule you need to consistently enforce it, or it is seen in a negative light in the courts, especially when you NEVER enforce it.
You are incorrect with your last statement as the anti-trust lawsuit that they lost to Oklahoma has proved.
See example above ?
I'm not trying to bash miami but what are you talking about? You are pretty much a .500 team the past couple years. That means you barely squeeze into a horrible bowl if yiu eveb get into one.
20 mil is isn't what ur getting....
Actually, I think they gave us all of our scholarships back the last year they were reduced as well.
So ur issue isnt about rules being broken because hiding crime for the sake of football is clearly a violation. Its about equity and fairness in their rulings....well that's the ncaa. Auburn had four players go on hbo and say they were paid and the ncaa said they couldbt do anything with it. While bama, usc and miami all went down on the words of convicted felons. In bama's case it was part of his plea bargain.
Saying "u can't punish me bc didnt punish them" is not a valid defense.
It isn't fair and it isn't going to be fair.
They lessened sanctions but the program was already knee capped and we remained in the repeat violator window for what ended up being pretty small things. That was when jelks admitted that he was paid to lie on bama. All they had at that point was langham signing the napkin.
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