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This argument is a joke IMHO. They got more chances yes, but it's also more events they have to win to earn those medals.
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Yes. I agree. "It's also more events they have to win to earn those medals". That's basically what I'm saying.
It's great that he's a great swimmer and can win those events. There are other people that play their sport that may dominate it just as well. They just don't have 10 events to compete in. The only thing that comes close is probably track and field but even then, it's not that close.
I'm with you there. I think Phelps is the greatest Olympian ever because of his performances over three Olympics, not because of the number of medals he's won.
I don't know the exact stats, but Phelps got a gold in something like 18 out of 22 events he swam. And the amount of events is really what makes it so amazing. I know to the normal dude, swimming is swimming. But to be that good in that many events is what makes it so special. Lochte is one of the best swimmers of all time and you saw how it worked out for him when he tried to carry a similar load as Phelps did in '08.
Ha, in the end it doesn't matter... but thats my opinion. I don't think its even close.
Im not dissing Phelps' gold medal count, but just look at the top 10 in gold medals list. 4 of them are swimmers, a skier and a couple of them gymnastics.
But, Lewis is right up there at #5. He dominated for 4 straight olympics.
Phelps has 13 individual medals (11 gold).
Lewis 8 individual medals (7 gold)
Remember, that back before like 1980, that American Olympians were true amateurs. So take someone like Mark Spitz....he could have easily swum in the 1976 Olympics, and most certainly have won more medals, except he could not afford to do so. He had to quit swimming to earn a living, unlike Phelps who is a millionaire many times over because of his sport.
Its not to downgrade what Phelps has done...its just to point out that the rules are much different now, and support someone like Phelps coming back, rather than like the old days, where multi time Olympians were a rarity.
I think one can make a compelling case for 5 men as the greatest American male Olympian: Jesse Owens, Al Oerter, Mark Spitz, Carl Lewis, and Michael Phelps. Selecting any one of those over the others is all about personal preference and what one values in an individual athlete.
He trains for 2 all year, phelps would have to train for 8.
Sorry not close and no one will ever be close. I want him to come back and get to 30 medals
Of course Phelps has had five individual events in which he has competed and won golds in. 100 and 200 butterfly, 100 free and 100 and 200 individual medley.
Lewis had three.....the 100, 200 and long jump.
Lewis was also a member of the 1980 Olympic team, where he would have surely won a medal in the 4X100 team he qualified for, and he might have gotten something in the long jump as well, except of course, the US boycotted those games.
How is there a case for Spitz over Phelps?
22 medals out of 24 races
18 golds out of 24 races
Yes he has more races, but that means he has more preliminaries, more semi-finals, more finals. Let's say Phelps has 8 different races that's a total of 24 swims in 5 days. Lewis has 2 different races, that's a total of 6 races in 5 days
I am not saying its not amazing. Its just trying to use medal counts as the ultimate baromter is not fair, because of the vast amount of swimming events that are out there.
How about Bob Mathias? He won two gold medals. Back to back decathlons. So its more impressive that Michael Phelps wins some slightly different swimming races, or Mathias has to beat everyone in ten different events over two days? If you go by medal count, its not even close, but who had to train in all those events, that have so many differences?
Its like saying that if Roger Federer wins 17 majors that makes him "greater" than Joe Montana, who only won four Super Bowls.
Spitz was never a professional, so he could not afford to compete in four different Olympic games. Phelps is paid to swim, so he can compete for as long as he is able.
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Seeing how you've posted this a couple times now, its evident you have no clue about Lewis. The man trained for 3 events.
No one in the history of the Olympics won back to back golds in both the 100m and long jump. I dont think no one even won back to back golds in the long jump alone, until Lewis.
Carl Lewis went 10 yrs straight without losing a single long jump event. Thats 65 total events, all 1st place finishes.
Carl Lewis' achievements are just as amazing as Phelps' medal count. When Phelps has 65 events without a defeat, feel free to say it isnt close then.
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