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  • BetterOff said... (original post)

    But you have never worked in those organizations, correct? SO you in no way have any affiliation with them besides being a fan? The same way most people are with college teams? I decided to join the military instead of going to college. Does that make some random guy going to WVU for a pharmaceutical degree more of a fan than me? Of course not, that means we chose different life paths.

    This argument is downright stupid. Hell, I know people at different colleges that don't even like sports. Are they bigger fans?

    Best post in this entire thread.

    People are dumb if they think its necessary to be an alumni/attendee of a University in order to be a fan. I lived in Ohio until the 7th grade, and moved to NC b/c of my dad's job. Do i really have to move back to Ohio and pay out of state tuition to be an OSU fan when i had 5 Division 1 Universities within 2 hours of where i live?

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  • Wolverine247

    c_woodson

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    There are also a lot more MSU fans on here than UM fans. If/when you guys get a 247 site, I'm sure it'll be both sides.

    Anyways, I'm not going to hijack the thread anymore; I really enjoy talking B1G football, period. I hear a lot of 7-8 wins from you guys; is that the general consensus for the year 1 expectations? How do you see the schedule breaking down? 5-straight home games sets up for a fast start (and a top 15 ranking if you win them all), but that closing stretch is really brutal.

    Fair enough and fine by me.

    I figure Michigan will go 3-1 in the OOC and 4-4 in the B1G. However, in no way do I think that ND is an automatic loss.

    In conference I think they will be the favorites against IL, Northwestern, Minny and Purdue. I expect them to go 3-1.

    They will be dogs against MSU, OSU, Nebraska and Iowa. I expect them to go 1-3 there.

    So that is 7 wins, 8 if they can beat ND.

  • BetterOff said... (original post)

    Way to hijack the thread. I came to this site to get away from this crap. Since you decided to flame, thanks for the scrimmage in the Cap 1 Bowl. Our scout team puts up more of a fight during practice than that.

    roflmao

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  • STATE OR DIE II said... (original post)

    Question for michigan fans, how many of you actually have a degree from there?

    I gotta admit, I always just laughed at the "Walmart Wolverine" "insult" that MSU fans like to throw around. Curious, do the MSU fans that use it not realize it's more of an insult to their own team than the Michigan fan?

    (P.S. as if it matters for whatever reason, University of Michigan Grad, Class of '07)

    This post was edited by theyellow_dup 3 years ago

  • BetterOff said... (original post)

    I gotta admit, I always just laughed at the "Walmart Wolverine" "insult" that MSU fans like to throw around. Curious, do the MSU fans that use it not realize it's more of an insult to their own team than the Michigan fan?

    (P.S. as if it matters for whatever reason, University of Michigan Grad, Class of '07)

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  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    c_woodson said... (original post)

    Fair enough and fine by me.

    I figure Michigan will go 3-1 in the OOC and 4-4 in the B1G. However, in no way do I think that ND is an automatic loss.

    In conference I think they will be the favorites against IL, Northwestern, Minny and Purdue. I expect them to go 3-1.

    They will be dogs against MSU, OSU, Nebraska and Iowa. I expect them to go 1-3 there.

    So that is 7 wins, 8 if they can beat ND.

    That's fair, and if I'm a UM fan, I'm pretty happy with that result. With Robinson being a SR in 2012, you'd expect a nice jump that season, though you will have to play @ Nebraska and @tOSU.

    I'd look for tangible signs of progress outside of Ws and Ls. Zook kept his job this year, not because of 7-6 record, but because the O and D took very visible steps forward (3 OT game vs. UM not withstanding). That kind of Xs and Os progress SHOULD matter to a UM fan more than Ws and Ls this year. I know our first year under MD we were all excited because you could see the team playing with a ton more effort and improved fundamentals.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • Welp, there go all my down votes for one day.

    Now to snap things back into reality. First off I am a State fan but I am realistic too. With that said I have predicted within a game every record Michigan State and Michigan have had since RichRod came into the picture.

    Now step back and think here, you haven't even played a game yet, it's been 4,014 combined days since you have beaten a rival (that is almost 11 years), your defense was the worst in the history of your programs and there is no reason to think it won't be very bad again, and finally both your defense and offense are going to completely be changing schemes with players that don't fit those schemes.
    Michigan's turnover ratio will be a huge problem next year. Nobody on defense has become a big time playmaker (no forced turnovers), they will be running down the middle behind a small offensive line (fumbles), and their QB's are not drop back QB's so blitz packages against that small offensive line will confuse them and force arrant passes and sacks (fumbles/picks). I think UofM could have a rough year. Again.

    Here are my predictions for next year for Mich and MSU.

    Michigan State 2011
    vs Youngstown State W
    vs Florida Atlantic W
    at Notre Dame L
    vs Central Michigan W
    at Ohio State W
    vs Michigan W
    vs Wisconsin W
    at Nebraska L
    vs Minnesota W
    at Iowa L
    vs Indiana W
    at NW W

    Michigan 2011
    vs Western W
    vs Notre Dame L
    vs Eastern W
    vs San Diego State W
    vs Minnesota W
    at Northwestern L
    at Michigan State L
    vs Purdue W
    at Iowa L
    at Illinois L
    vs Nebraska L
    vs Ohio State L

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  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    Bailey1149 said... (original post)

    Welp, there go all my down votes for one day.

    Now to snap things back into reality. First off I am a State fan but I am realistic too. With that said I have predicted within a game every record Michigan State and Michigan have had since RichRod came into the picture.

    Now step back and think here, you haven't even played a game yet, it's been 4,014 combined days since you have beaten a rival (that is almost 11 years), your defense was the worst in the history of your programs and there is no reason to think it won't be very bad again, and finally both your defense and offense are going to completely be changing schemes with players that don't fit those schemes. Michigan's turnover ratio will be a huge problem next year. Nobody on defense has become a big time playmaker (no forced turnovers), they will be running down the middle behind a small offensive line (fumbles), and their QB's are not drop back QB's so blitz packages against that small offensive line will confuse them and force arrant passes and sacks (fumbles/picks). I think UofM could have a rough year. Again.

    Here are my predictions for next year for Mich and MSU.

    Michigan State 2011 vs Youngstown State W vs Florida Atlantic W at Notre Dame L vs Central Michigan W at Ohio State W vs Michigan W vs Wisconsin W at Nebraska L vs Minnesota W at Iowa L vs Indiana W at NW W

    Michigan 2011 vs Western W vs Notre Dame L vs Eastern W vs San Diego State W vs Minnesota W at Northwestern L at Michigan State L vs Purdue W at Iowa L at Illinois L vs Nebraska L vs Ohio State L

    I think both squads have more than a legit shot against ND. If I'm UM, I use Shoelaces just like they did last year; ND cannot figure out any sort of misdirection and they've been slow on D for a decade. Floyd may not be playing against UM, which would be huge.

    For MSU, our DL is going to be strong and we ran well against their front line last year (200+ rushing yards).

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

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    CorchBlue

    Bailey1149 said... (original post)

    it's been 4,014 combined days since you have beaten a rival (that is almost 11 years)

    We have beaten Notre Dame plenty of times.

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    BetterOff said... (original post)

    I gotta admit, I always just laughed at the "Walmart Wolverine" "insult" that MSU fans like to throw around. Curious, do the MSU fans that use it not realize it's more of an insult to their own team than the Michigan fan?

    (P.S. as if it matters for whatever reason, University of Michigan Grad, Class of '07)

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  • BetterOff said... (original post)

    We have beaten Notre Dame plenty of times.

    I think he is trying to ride OSUs coattail, could be wrong though. When he said that Michigan had a small oline that was enough to ignore it from that point on. Molk is undersized at C, everybody else, not so much.

  • The Doctor said... (original post)

    http://walmartwolverines.com/

    Either my point flew right over your head... or your point flew right over mine.

  • Murrdawg69 said... (original post)

    Best post in this entire thread.

    People are dumb if they think its necessary to be an alumni/attendee of a University in order to be a fan. I lived in Ohio until the 7th grade, and moved to NC b/c of my dad's job. Do i really have to move back to Ohio and pay out of state tuition to be an OSU fan when i had 5 Division 1 Universities within 2 hours of where i live?

    Go Pirates!

    The main thing that bothers many Spartans about the standard Walverine is that they usually disregard the school they actually attended. Eastern/Central/Western Michigan are all colleges playing at the D-1 level and eligible for bowl games.

    Each school is big, but has a hard time drawing crowds for their games. Why? Because most of their students/alumni would rather support the team of a rival university they didn't/don't attend.

  • Wolverine247

    c_woodson

    Boomtown Sparty said... (original post)

    The main thing that bothers many Spartans is that they weren't admitted to Michigan.

    Fixed it for ya.

    Sorry, after reading all the crap in this thread I simply couldn't resist.

    I sincerely hope that every thread about Michigan doesn't turn into a pissing contest. As much as it is annoying me, it must be driving other posters nuts.

  • c_woodson said... (original post)

    Fixed it for ya.

    Sorry, after reading all the crap in this thread I simply couldn't resist.

    I sincerely hope that every thread about Michigan doesn't turn into a pissing contest. As much as it is annoying me, it must be driving other posters nuts.

    Ouch.

    Seriously though, if you're a UM fan growing up and you go to Central. Who do you root for when they play each other?

  • Wolverine247

    c_woodson

    Boomtown Sparty said... (original post)

    Ouch.

    Seriously though, if you're a UM fan growing up and you go to Central. Who do you root for when they play each other?

    I don't know, I don't have that problem. I guess I would root for my alma mater no matter who they played.

    I did my undergrad at UMich and my phd at UCSB, who luckily does not have a football team. However, I am going to be screwed if they play each other in basketball or soccer.

  • Boomtown Sparty said... (original post)

    The main thing that bothers many Spartans about the standard Walverine is that they usually disregard the school they actually attended. Eastern/Central/Western Michigan are all colleges playing at the D-1 level and eligible for bowl games.

    Each school is big, but has a hard time drawing crowds for their games. Why? Because most of their students/alumni would rather support the team of a rival university they didn't/don't attend.

    So I have a question then. If I'm currently getting my undergrad at Texas A&M but I plan on getting my masters from UofM, does that make me a 'Walverine.' I was born and raised a Wolverine, but when I was in middle school my parents moved us to Texas, so I just chose TAMU because it was cheaper and closer to home. Am I any less of a fan because I haven't attended UofM yet? The answer is no. Michigan is and always has been #1 for me and TAMU is #2. There are just as many MSU fans that didn't attend MSU as there are UofM fans that didn't attend UofM.

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    c_woodson

    BetterOff said... (original post)

    i enjoy your arguments with those ignorant d-bags on that board. the funniest was the uneducated bandwaggoner who was trying to compare rooting for college teams to rooting for pro teams saying for example how not all steelers fans work for the steel industry, so he should be able to be a die-hard, obnoxious, shit-talking scUMmer fan even though he has no affiliation with the school.

    Now tell us what you really think.

  • BetterOff said... (original post)

    So I have a question then. If I'm currently getting my undergrad at Texas A&M but I plan on getting my masters from UofM, does that make me a 'Walverine.' I was born and raised a Wolverine, but when I was in middle school my parents moved us to Texas, so I just chose TAMU because it was cheaper and closer to home. Am I any less of a fan because I haven't attended UofM yet? The answer is no. Michigan is and always has been #1 for me and TAMU is #2. There are just as many MSU fans that didn't attend MSU as there are UofM fans that didn't attend UofM.

    In my opinion you are a Walverine if you do any of the following.

    1) Go to Central, Eastern, Western but root for UofM above all else, including the school you go to

    2) You are a Michigan fan that didn't attend UofM yet give Michigan State fans crap, fans that went to MSU, with arguments such as "My school is better"

    3) You are some giant hick that paints his trailer maize and blue, then puts a bumper sticker of a michigan fan pissing on State logo right in the middle of his rear window of that beautiful used 1984 Toyota Corolla.

    Also I always forget UofM thinks of Notre Dame as a rivalry, I was just talking about Michigan State and Ohio State. In all honesty I think I brought up some great points. I am curious to see if Hoke really works allot of spread in with this offense, instead of forcing them to play like a Iowa or Wisconsin. Rich Rod forced the spread and it wasn't the best plan in year one. Forcing the ball down the middle will be a disaster for UofM in my opinion, and if they can't establish the run that will allow defensive lines to pressure and contain Robinson more especially from the DE's. I really like their WR's though and they will make plays if they get it out to them. Also curious to see what happens from the TE position from UofM as it really hasn't been around for a few years.

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  • SpartanTailgate

    Royal

    c_woodson said... (original post)

    Now tell us what you really think.

    Don't mind him. He's just angry bc he's not a real doctor.

  • BetterOff said... (original post)

    So I have a question then. If I'm currently getting my undergrad at Texas A&M but I plan on getting my masters from UofM, does that make me a 'Walverine.' I was born and raised a Wolverine, but when I was in middle school my parents moved us to Texas, so I just chose TAMU because it was cheaper and closer to home. Am I any less of a fan because I haven't attended UofM yet? The answer is no. Michigan is and always has been #1 for me and TAMU is #2. There are just as many MSU fans that didn't attend MSU as there are UofM fans that didn't attend UofM.

    You can still be a fan of UM I suppose. But I don't know how can you go to A&M for 4 years of undergrad but still hold an allegiance to a school that is 2000(?) miles away.

  • tlhwg said... (original post)

    FSU fan who follows Michigan closely here, here are my thoughts on both sides of the ball for the Wolverines in 2011:

    Defense: because of the high # of returning starters and the great D coaching hires (esp. Mattison & Hoke himself), Michigan has a legit chance of having a top 40 D.

    Offense: this is more complicated and IMO hinges primarily on Hoke's ability/willingness to transition gradually from a pure spread under RR to his pro set O. Although Denard will get his scrambling, IMO Hoke should run the occasional zone-read or designed QB run to keep the Ds honest. If Michigan does this while allowing Borges to gradually incorporate his new O, then the O will have its most success.

    I dont think the fact UM has a high # of starters returning is necessarily a good sign. Talent pool was low. They are obviously addressing that in 2012 recruiting.

    Offense will really depend on how flexible the offense can be with Denard. You cannot switch to power football from RR offense with same personnel.

    I expect the offense to be good but still dont think they will be able to score enough points to win more than 7 due to their defense.

  • Boomtown Sparty said... (original post)

    You can still be a fan of UM I suppose. But I don't know how can you go to A&M for 4 years of undergrad but still hold an allegiance to a school that is 2000(?) miles away.

    It's pretty easy actually. I was born and raised a Wolverine and I have plenty of alumni in my family. When we moved to Texas, I decided to go to A&M because it was cheaper, closer to home and gave me the chance to walk on for the baseball team. Just because I live in Texas doesn't mean than I can't be a diehard UofM fan. TAMU is a great school and I love it here but at the end of the day UofM is still #1 for me.

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    BetterOff said... (original post)

    It's pretty easy actually. I was born and raised a Wolverine and I have plenty of alumni in my family. When we moved to Texas, I decided to go to A&M because it was cheaper, closer to home and gave me the chance to walk on for the baseball team. Just because I live in Texas doesn't mean than I can't be a diehard UofM fan. TAMU is a great school and I love it here but at the end of the day UofM is still #1 for me.

    I've said it before; 100% cool with your sports fandom and feel free to mix it up with MSU fans about on-field stuff.

    I just feel that you're forclosed from using the "MSU fans are jealous because they didn't get into UM, blah blah blah" rip that we've heard countless of times.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • BamaOnLine

    BetterOff

    I love how the MSU guys are able to talk smack going into the 2011 season coming off the butt raping they took in the Cap 1 Bowl. If that was my team's last showing on the field, I think I would reserve further judgement of next until a game or two is played. Bama could have won that one by 10 TDs if they didn't quit playing in the 2nd half. That game more than anything showed how far MSU has to go before they are a legit contender on the national scene. I am not say that Michigan is any closer, but just to say that both teams have a long way to go before they are ready to play with the big dogs of college football.

    Maybe we will get to see how far Michigan has come next year (2012) in Dallas as well, but I can't imagine how that MSU team that I watched in the Cap 1 Bowl won more than 5 games last year, much less how they tied for the Big 10 Championship.