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Thanks for the link- very interesting read. Pretty compelling statistics provided by the FBI.
i was saying that the 1st amendment is limited in many ways.
and that accordingly, attempts to similar limit (or balance with competing constitutionally protected interests) are kosher to impose upon the 2nd
and yes people are the problem; and a way of addressing that is to address the gun culture in america
(mental health, hollywood, video games, easy access to purchasing legal and illegal guns, stand your ground statutes, etc etc etc)
now i dont think all of those aspects should necessarily be regulated
at the very least, some of those are much, much more important than others
i do think we need a holistic, and tempered approach
my bottom line is that the amount of gun violence and deaths in this country should not be acceptable
and that narrowing access to guns is part of the solution
and all guns are not treated alike
there is a big, big difference bw a hunting rifle and a mac-10 in my book
ask your local police benevolence association about that one ...
This post was edited by Bom274 15 months ago
jeff you've been trolling for 3 pages now
long term its not the future
at some point our nation will need alternate energy sources
obama isnt shutting down coal mines
he may press for environmental regs so that kids dont get cancer before age 10 or workers have safety standards in place that dont leave them trapped miles below
talking about putting families out of work?
how about outsourcing and free trade agreements (free markets, unfettered capitalism) that has sent millions of American jobs oversee (and then American corporations stash the money oversee and use corporate tax loopholes/welfare to avoid paying taxes on their profits)
and absolutely democrats (clinton etc) have been complicit in that
but when you weigh the scales of which party has been more "worker-friendly" please dont tell me any of yall genuinely believe republicans win that battle?
you mean the same people in DC that helped ring up our current $ 1 trillion budget deficit ?
good luck w/ that.
First, I am a cop... I know about guns.
Second, once again. The people are the problem, the amount of gun violence shouldn't be blamed on the guns. Guns are simply a tool.
Video games, "gun culture" are not the problem.
Do I think loop holes need to be closed? HELL YES, aka the gun show loop hole.
But standing your ground statues... Why do those need to be changed? You don't think someone should beaable to defend themselves on his or her land?
Also, you realize gun violence as a whole is not very high in the country right? Maybe compared to other countries yes, but guess what? This is the United States of America... Not any other country. There's more alcohol related deaths than gun deaths. More drug deaths, those are outlawed too right?
Point is, making laws isn't going to change anything. This country was founded on guns and defending its self again tyranny....
Criminals, don't follow laws.
For decades and decades most states follow the "castle doctrine"
which is stand your ground at your home, basically
recently, right-wing groups (ALEC, e.g.) have pushed the statutes that embolden to shoot first and ask questions later
nothing wrong with CWPs ... and self-defense laws still apply out in the public at-large .. that hasn't, and won't change
but turning toward the wild west as a model for safety is not a good thing
we do have gun/violence culture in America
and while i absolutely don't think we need to start censoring movies, music, video games, etc
to say that we dont have a gun problem, but a people problem is (to me) ridiculous
guns make people more effective killers;
especially fully automatic ones
or "cop killer bullets"
should there not be limits on the right to bear arms?
Can you name when the last time a full auto was used in a massacre? If I remember right even columbine didn't have fully auto..
Fully autos are HARD to get.
How can you blame an object for people's actions? It's called personal accountability..... YOU pull the trigger, so YOU should be blamed.
And no, if I want to own 100 guns, I should be able too. Fully autos, like I said are hard to get and you have to have a class 3, which is not easy...
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No Bom, Obama HAS shut down coal mines in WV by using the corrupt EPA to do it. He is trying to force the alternative energies to grow the green/alternative companies that he and his big money buddies invested in. His lapdog Lisa Jackson ( former EPA queen) is in hot water as we speak for using a bogus email account ( said to be named after her dog ) to hide communications from the public to try and sabotage the coal industry by using the long arm of the EPA to enforce unattainable clean water standards ect.. to shut them down. Some of the standards that the corrupt EPA were trying to enforce "dirty coal mines" to abide by showed that water runoff from mall parking lots were too dirty too but to my knowledge no mall has faced the wrath of our corrupt president and his congress sidestepping EPA and been shut down.... Yet
the person is fully responsible .. thats why we put them in jail
and when felons get out of jail, btw, they generally aren't allowed to possess guns (or even ammo)
guns used at columbine, according to wikipeda --
Intratec TEC-DC9, Hi-Point 995 Carbine, Savage 67H pump-action shotgun, Stevens 311D double barreled sawed-off shotgun, 99 explosives, 4 knives
so no fully autos .. but that is besides the bigger point about public safety
tho should Tec-9s be readily available to the general public?
there was also an armed SRO on campus at Columbine
i think legislation around guns is very difficult to do effectively
people are the problem; but guns are the means
you have to address both
unless they were manufactured pre-1987. Yep, the average Joe can legally own a fully automatic tommy gun, for example.. funny the libs aren't crying about that though?
i cant speak to obama and west virginia and coal
you sound a overboard re the EPA though
i do think are body-politic has been overly deferential to the coal industry
just like they have been to ethanol subsidies etc
way too many of our economic policies are based on political determinations rather than policy
and while im sure the EPA has overstepped in many places; at the core their mission is to do whats best for America and I have no doubt that is what are trying to do
no one wants to put people out work; no one wants to shut an industry down out of spite or the like
its a balancing act; and there are competing, valid policy interests
it has been very upsetting the past 4 years to see all of the satanic-esque motives to obama and company
his policies may be wrong; but they are genuinely trying to do whats best for America
for folks not to acknowledge that is sad
I have come to this discussion a little late and understand that by doing so that I open myself up to attack from one side or the other and possibly both.
When it comes to gun control, I only warn you to tread carefully and trust no politician's motitives. History has when claim a desire for better gun control the real aim is disarm a people to leaving defenseless (witness "The Holocaust" and "Wounded Knee").
As to the present direction of our government, I am concerned that both parties are failing us. The present administration has a professional orgaization called "The Tellus Institute" wrtting it's policy. You should go to their web site and read their vision statement and decide for yourself if you be believe individualism and consumerisms are evil things and detrimental to the future of our nation.
fine fine post
An interesting myth that has been perpetuated by the media is that AR (as in AR-15) means Assault Rifle or Automatic Rifle. It means neither.....AR comes from Armalite Rifle, the original manufacturer of the first AR-5 back in the 50's.
I was at the SHOT Show last week in Vegas. Most of the guys I talked with didn't have a problem with smaller clip sizes but as far as guns are concerned, if things go south in DC, they're all prepared to go 24 hours a day, six days a week to make parts.
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