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Why do they always make this a racist issue? If an owner is paying all of the bills he can hire who he wants
This post was edited by Jeff4SC 18 months ago
Dunno.. My question and its an honest question with zero malice attached but who are a few black candidates that would make a good HC (not guys currently with a HC gig like Tomlin).. I'm just curious of the options.
This post was edited by Lesticals 18 months ago
Danielle Hunter, Jamario Rasco, Anthony FREAK Johnson.. DL wrecking crew of 2013.
It is just stupid period. Now the NFL is saying they may change the rule that you have to interview so many for coordinators as well.
What a joke
Agree with you on this specific situation
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I have no numbers to support this. Maybe someone does.
I'd love to know a percentage of coaches in football that are black and compare it to NFL head coaching positions. NFL has roughly 10%. Is be surprised if there was a crazy disparity here.
Please post some stats if you've got them.
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Seriously? It seems like there's more black assistant coaches than White. I wish they would leave race out of all of this.. All it does is stir things up and cause unneeded racism.
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I've asked fair questions and have said nothing remotely close to being racist
The Rooney rule is being looked at because the NFL knows that it's numbers on minority coaches look very strange. In the entire NFL there is one black OC that calls plays, and he got the job mid season when the original OC was fired. The lack of black OCs in the NFL traps black offensive coaches at the WR, RB and OL coaching spots and if a black coach doesn't make it to be a DC he can't go from assistant NFL coach to Head NFL coach. If you never had the Rooney rule then owners grab a hot college coach or NFL coordinator. There are what, 4 black college Head coaches out of 120 FBS programs? There are 64 NFL coordinators but only one on the offensive side of the ball is black. The Jags, Titans, Giants, Vikings and Seattle are the teams with black DCs. So out of 184 spots that have any sort of probability to lead to an NFL HC gig without the Rooney Rule only 10 of them are held by black coaches. That is without even trying to factor in any bias. And I'm not even talking pure racism. I'm talking about the older extremely rich owners feeling comfortable with with someone who reminds them of their brother/friend/ high school coach or some other authority figure from their past.
In a way the Rooney Rule, if actually honored in spirit, can save owners from themselves. Philly new from jump the wanted Kelly by some accounts. Going into any search with your mind made is generally not a good idea. If the rule is truly followed and the interview process is truly followed then maybe an owner finds the next Mike Tomlin instead of going out and grabbing the next Steve Spurrier.
I have always wondered the same thing.
These rules, like "hate crimes", create segregation.
Good job, liberals.
Here's what I don't understand...it's a numbers game. Sure there are more black atheltes in the NFL and NBA, but there are more white people in the society. You don't have to be a specific race to have a great working mind, so the numbers SHOULD be skewed to more white coaches since there's more white people that live in our society.
Here's a great question: Ask a random white kid and black kid in high school that are between the ages of 16-18 that love sports and ask them what they want to do when they get older. Out of 100 black kids, you might get TWO responses that they want to coach a sport. Ask the white kids and you'll get 15-20 that will tell you they want to coach.
So 20-2 is 10 to 1. That would equate to about 3 head coaches in the NFL.
I'm gonna make a fair racist statement here. The majority of black kids playing hoops in high school have aspirations and dreams to play in the NBA (not to say that white kids don't). Trust me, I coached in the inner city for a LONG time and 99% think that way. It was my job as a coach to break them of that mentality and tell them, "I will push, support, help, aid and whatever I need to do to get you to the next level(college) and then help you follow and fulfill your dreams. HOWEVER, if you don't make it, you need a plan b and that plan b is an education."
Very few of these kids ever mentioned coaching, but a LOT of them said business. They're just not as interested. Isn't it ironic that these black coaches are ALL former players.....
Guys like Bill Walsh never picked up a football in his life, but knew he wanted to coach. You're just not going to find this in a black culture, so why should it be skewed to have a certain percentage???
Can you imagine going into Chinese restaurants and telling them, you need a certain amount of Mexicans in your kitchen? They would be like wtf are you talking about? You want Shrimp Lo Mein or Moo Goo Gai Pan???
The numbers should be skewed by number of people in a said society. It's the same thing if you put 100 balls in a bin and 3 are red and 97 are white, the odds you pull out a red are 3%.
Should people just hire ray lewis because he was a great player and he's black? Absolutely not.
I almost agree with you here. Consider this, however....Don't you think there is a possibility the reason there are few black kids wanting to be coaches is because they don't see it as a possibility since there ARE so few black coaches?
I think you're absolutely correct, but then again in our society, people understand now that you're going to get a particular job/position regardless of race, creed, culture or religion. Although I don't like Barack Obama, I felt that it was INSTRUMENTAL that he was named president so that ALL kids could have that dream for them to possibly be president one day. My dislike of our president has nothing to do with his race, yet his methods, but that's another topic altogether.
If you can play you can play, if you can coach you can coach. Can you imagine not recruiting Warren Moon because black quarterbacks can't be pocket passers or not recruiting Johnny Manziel cause white quaterbacks are terrible running quarterbacks? LOL...
I think that we you set up guidelines like this such as the Rooney Rule, you set yourself up for failure.
I could care less when I coached if the kid was green, so as long as he listened, wanted to be a good person/productive member of society (and if they didn't and I thought the kid could be reached, I did ANYTHING to get him away from the dark side) and worked hard.
Hiring a coach should have guidelines for character, brilliant mind, motivator, teacher and upstanding citizen that represents the team and organization with humility and class, not based on race, religion, creed or culture.
I disagree with the premise that the numbers should somehow shadow the numbers of the general population. The numbers of the population reflect men and women, as well as people who couldn't tell you the difference between a point guard and offensive guard. A better indicator would be those who are exposed to football at a higher level, as those are the people more likely to get into coaching at a high level. And once you shrink the pool down to those people, you end up with a much higher percentage of minorities than you have in the general population pool.
What new restriction/division has any of these rules caused? Where there no white people who disliked/resented minorities before the Rooney Rule or Hate Crime Laws were on the books? I'm not even in favor of Hate Crime Laws, but to imply that they caused a fragmentation of America where there was none before is silly.
Great points. I think though that when you shrink the pool, you still would have a LOT more white coaches and the reason why is let's go to the high school level. There's just WAY more white coaches than black and the traditional way to become an NFL coach was to work your way up the ranks, where it would give you a greater number.
I think the new restriction/division has caused resentment because you're forcing one's hand so to speak.
I really like your points....
I just think that if you have 90 white kids that want to coach and 10 black kids, the odds are just higher. If 80% from both sides are idiots, you're left with 2 black kids vs about 16 white kids.
If I was an owner, I would be PISSED to beat hell that I had to interview a minority. That said, if a guy like Frazier or Tomlin was available, I would hire either of them and maybe without even interviewing a white guy. To me, they're more qualified and it's not because they're black, they're better!!
Oh yea I definitely don't think there should be a 1 for 1 ratio. A lot of ex players aren't going to want to coach. Out of the ones who do a lot of them just won't be any good. The NFL is a pretty exclusive fraternity though. A lot of the guys who coach there are ex players, support personnel and scouts. Some are even 2nd generation NFL coaches. Working your way up from high school is a lot less likely than being a former player to start your path to coaching in the NFL.
How come they don't have the same rules to get more white players in the NFL? :)
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