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Won't ever happen.
Your opinions and views on the world are quite short-sighted.
Lol. How so?
As developed countries, Spain and Italy have received a good number of North Africans due to close proximity of the countries, but it's nowhere near a public policy issue as you believe.
A question to start: On the scale of human ingenuity, innovativeness, culture, collaboration, et al, with 0 being the Stone Age and 100 being total enlightenment, the culmination and apex of our species and society, where do you think (a) America and (b) the world as a whole lie?
Get to your point.
Please, tell this Spanish citizen how much you know about the country and its political atmosphere.
Everything, duh. You don't know compared to TroyTide. Haven't you realized that yet?
His one man brigade is quite remarkable and I had no clue his knowledge was so deep. Tell me about the world, TroyTide!
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It's not as much of an issue in Spain because the economy is terrible and has been for some time. But they do have a declining native population and a faster growing immigrant population. Which means some pretty major demographic shifts over the years.
It is a much bigger issue in other European countries where even the number of new immigrants is keeping pace with native births and the number of immigrant births is far above native Births.
Over the next several decades countries like Britain, the Netherlands, France will be vastly different places.
It will be interesting to see it transpire the Euros will have to weigh their liberal stupidity against their historical jealous protection of their homeland.
It's becoming an issue and is far and away the number one reason for the current rise if nationalist parties across parts of Europe. The UKIP in Britain has like 20% favoritism now, would have been unimaginable a decade ago.
Well, the point kind of revolves around whether or not you think we're around 50 or upwards of 90... The topic was short-sightedness after all.
Just say what you are wanting to say.
I will choose 25 and 95, now make arguments for both, GO!...
Well personally, I believe we're sitting somewhere between 25 and 50 with the Industrial Revolution being around 40 or so. The forthcoming robotic and automation revolution sits, IMO, right around 55 (somewhere between 50 and 60). That leaves a LOT of room for us, as a species and a society, to continue to grow, evolve, collaborate, and blossom. The idea of a world society now? Preposterous. In, I don't know, a hundred years or so when we're closer to 75 on the scale? Who knows? But I know applying "rules" that govern the world now to what will be a vastly different world in a century or more is ludicrous and short-sighted. It's no different than using pre-Industrial Revolution "rules" to say how the world would work after. I mean hell, as Americans, we know more than anyone about "old rules" and changing the status quo.
So what is your point specifically?
Welcome to the 21st century. While I agree that demographics will shift in all more developed westernized nations, I don't think it's as drastic as you believe. Of you're a minority living in Spain or France, chances are you don't have a high income. We won't see a heterogeneous society in Europe (except for the UK) in our lifetimes.
You said a global society is never going to happen. I said you were being short sighted. That was my point.
IDK there isn't going to be many Europeans to inhabit that continent in the future. The fertility rates are just terrible.
Differing cultures and countries all vying for their piece of the pie...wil never change.
The world in 2013 is vastly different from the one in 1013 and 13. The same will be said for 3013.
Fertility rates should be of no surprise to anyone these days. Lesser developed African nations with poor methods of contraception and sexual education lead the world in fertility rates, while the developed world (Europe and East Asia) sits at the bottom of the list. Surprisingly, the United States has the second highest fertility rate among developed countries, most of it accounted by the minority population.
Population pyramids are a great way to look at where the population is concentrated in terms of age.
All true. The point is though a sparsely populated Europe will be replenished by someone and at this pint it doesn't look like it will be the Europeans.
I mean he did study under some of the best minds that Troy has to offer. Many of the statements he makes have no logic or evidence to back them up and even his ideological statements are somewhat contradictory. For example, he usually professes a love for the free market and is against government intervention yet in this thread is seemingly opposed to freer immigration and denies the feasibility of a global society, which is arguably the true goal of capitalism. Also, he seems to supporting Japan's policies in this thread, despite the fact that as a result of their terrible governance their GDP peaked in like 1995.
Well everything I have said in this thread is a fact, so suck on that. Now if you don't think the demographic change in Europe is a big deal then fine you are entitled to your opinion. But I assure you it is happening.
I am not against government intervention I am a conservative not a libertarian. Like liberals such as yourself I believe in intervention on some things and not others.
I disagree that the free market and uncontrolled immigration go hand in hand. That's absurd imo.
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