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Not saying that one won't flip somewhere. But judging by their comments and love for Michigan, I doubt one flips to OSU. The only ones that any OSU fans were even considering were Dymonte Thomas and Mike McCray. Dymonte won't flip and they aren't recruiting McCray.
EDIT: And who are you to say that Urbz will flip a Michigan commit? You don't follow Michigan recruiting as much as Michigan fans do, you're overestimating Meyer's recruiting talents.
This post was edited by Never Lose Hoke 2 years ago
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
just pointing out the Hoke rule and letting people judge for themselves whether it's good or bad. I understand that to be a Michigan man is to sacrifice for the team, which is what these early commitments are doing. I think auto-takes like Treadwell are smart/rational for postponing his commitment until he looks around, if only for a back-up plan. I don't understand why the '13 OL didn't also postpone their commitment since their all auto-takes.
lol, noob. You never say stuff like that.
He has already stopped pursuing Dymonte Thomas because he was so firmly committed to Michigan. He also offered OSU legacy Mccray (after whiffing on a number of other LBs) who also reaffirmed he is solid to Michigan. Those were the only two I would've considered potential flips, and it just isn't going to happen. At least not with any of our current commits.
Even the bucknuts staff have given up on Thomas flipping.
lol, noob, you don't even know what you're talking about anymore. The only people who thought that Dymonte would flip just gave up hope a while ago.
He tried to flip Kalis in the 2012 class, too. So far he's batting .000
It's like you don't have any idea about recent recruiting history. It's not like I am predicting it but you declaring it won't happen is asinine. And I've declared a huge tertiary fanship for Michigan because I loved Hoke and hate Urban. But Urban is a beast to deal with.
This post was edited by fsufsu 2 years ago
None of the '13 linemen were "autotakes." There was pretty substantial interest from Pocic and Biven at the time of the Oline position being filled. Pocic was about to visit but was told to cancel his visit just as our last Oline recruit committed, I don't remember which one it was, but if he hadn't committed then what would have stopped Pocic from taking his spot?
You are probably right but arguing over a no visit 'rule' you know nothing about is equally asinine IMO.
What you eat, don't make me shit.
IMO the whole Hoke no-visit/camp rule is interesting insofar as it elicits 2 very different reactions from observers/fans, and I want to make this clear: IMO both reactions are reasonable.
1. The Michigan fan: the no-visit/camp rule shows that players have decided to sacrifice their own personal interests for the team. Very noble.
2. The non-Michigan fan*: the no-visit/camp rule seems paternalistic, paranoid/insecure & isn't in the best interest of the players since it limits their options.
* or any fan of a team that doesn't apply the no-visit/camp rule.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by tlhwg 2 years ago
I don't understand how people think Urban Meyer is some recruiting god who can flip recruits consistently.
Let's break down 2012:
Dodson - Hometown kid, would've been OSU the entire time if not for Tattoogate.
Pittman - Ditto.
Decker - Meyer hired the OL coach away from ND, Decker's primary recruiter.
Reeves - Jerry Sandusky scandal.
Williams - Ditto.
Schutt - Ditto.
O'Connor - Ditto.
Meyer happened to fall into a very lucky situation in 2012 by being able to simply cherry pick out of another school's recruiting class. Spence was predicted to go to PSU too, until the scandal broke. Meyer won't be able to flip kids like that again absent another major scandal at a B1G school.
It's like I pay more attention to the individual commits in Michigan's class. Look, I'm not saying Meyer isn't a good recruiter, and I'm not saying that one won't flip somewhere. But I am saying that none of them will flip to OSU, seeing as, you know, none of them are being recruited by OSU.
In fact, Hoke flipped Kalis, but couldn't do the same for Dunn, I don't think Stroebel was committed to OSU ever? So Hoke is batting a respectable .500.
Also, Schutt was turned away by ND and UM, (no idea why though).
He was turned away from UM because Ondre Pipkins had committed and taken the NT spot.
I agree with the policy, but I have a different argument for it. In today's recruiting world recruits can commit to a school just to hold a spot. That school can not keep accepting commits, that would be oversigning. Why then should recruits be able to hold a spot, and ruin any chance for that school to get a good player if they decommit? I'm sure that Michigan would have loved to keep recruiting Ethan Pocic and Dorian O'Daniel.
But it doesn't limit their options. A recruit can take as many visits(official or unoffical) as they want before they commit. Hoke is just asking a kid to be 100% sure and committed to Michigan when he pulls the trigger. If the kid is not 100 percent on board then don't commit yet.
Well then we disagree. For the overwhelming majority of programs each of your '13 OL would be an auto-take, i.e., teams would reserve a spot for them.
4 of your top 9 players (in the current #1 or #2 class depending on who you look at) are OL. They're all 4* OL.
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This post was edited by tlhwg 2 years ago
Most of them were "auto-takes", however, Ethan Pocic was one of the best OL that Michigan was recruiting and he didn't get a spot.
What are you talking about? You really think we would reserve spots for 6 or 7 OL and allow them all to commit?
Prospects aren't sacrificing anything. They are free to (and should) explore all their options and take all the visits they want. They just need to do that before they commit to Michigan. Hoke doesn't want prospects reserving spots at UM while they continue to look around. That's not a commitment. Take your visits. Make your decision. And then commit. It's not complicated and shouldn't be controversial at all.
As for what outsiders think, I doubt Hoke gives a frick. You all can think whatever you want. Hoke is doing just fine in terms of recruiting.
And decommits happen all the time and to every program. Urbie has already had two this year. You guys seem far more worried about Urbie than anyone in the B10.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 2 years ago
Recruiting against Bobby Bowden and Randy Shannon is not the same as recruiting against Brady Hoke and Brian Kelly.
Urban left UF because his little game ended thanks to Fisher and the threat of the new UM coach having a pulse, and not being a scared little girl on the trail.
Additionally, he is more exposed now than ever. Recruits know of his bullshit tactics. Coaches know he's quitter. Parents know he has little interest in discipline.
Urban will find Big Ten life rather displeasing, IMO.
This post was edited by WillyDees 2 years ago
You absolutely right. The flaw here, however, is that the assumption that these people ("kids", in your words) are rational/adults. These are 16 or 17 year olds who are very impressionable, i.e., capable of being swept up emotionally with the sights/sounds of a campus visit to Michigan visit with other targets, who then spontaneously engage in a mass-commitment (i.e., 1+ commitments).
As I've said elsewhere, reasonable people can disagree about whether the no-visit policy is good or bad.
This guy gets it.
The more that comes out about his coaching tactics at UF (in relation to recruiting, discipline, loyalty, etc.), the less people like it.
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