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Heres my personal belief, I believe in both god, and evolution. I believe ultimately, the universe was created by god, but I just think the bible is not accurate as far as when things were made and how long it took for things to develop/evolve. I have my own combination of christianity, science, and common sense. Raised lutheran, but beliefs morphed around high school, when I took a big interest in science, especially the universe/astronomy.
I believe the Bible is literally true and scientifically accurate. I believe in a literal 6 day creation that occurred about 6,000 years ago. I believe that Dinosaurs have always lived with man but they have been called dragons throughout most of human history and that after the flood humans killed most of them.
God, women, the list goes on and on...
The argument that many pose against that is carbon dating of fossils makes it not scientifically accurate. Of course, that argument relies on "faith" of the accuracy of carbon dating which cannot be proven to be accurate.
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Too many things are unknown to allow the carbon dating process to be as accurate as many proclaim it to be. It is not uncommon for different laboratories to determine quite different ages for the same artifac.
Carbon dating has been proven wrong in some tests. The argument then comes that they are usually close to the correct date.
BTW I'm not arguing for faith in Carbon dating over faith in the bible. I was just stating what the next argument was going to be.
Horus similar to Mithra, Attis analogous to Krishna. Jesus, different name same story all based on ancient Egyptian allegory.
The tracks just show this story has been passed on from the most ancient civilizations and religions to ones further from their region.
I will never dog or discount anyone but I will always bring up the logical paper trail that has been ever present in this debate.
A couple Of huge problems with carbon dating are, the fact that the original ratio of carbon and radioactive carbon is unknown. And the possibillity of contamination of the sample over time is quite high, therefore the older the sample the higher the probability of contamination meaning the use of carbon dating for older samples is really impractical.
Exactly, most of these myths have many significant similarities, I can't list them off the top but the virgin birth is a very common motif in religious mythologies. I don't think you can ignore them.
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Yeah, but its not like the disagreement is between the earth being 3 billions years old or 10 billion years old. The disagreement is between 6,000 years and 4 billion. One of those has a lot of evidence stacked against it.
There is plenty of evidence for a young earth. If you want I can link sites or go through just a couple myself
Links will be fine.
To be fair, you can't "prove" the "fact" that Christopher Columbus ever set foot in the western hemisphere, or for that matter even existed. Either way, you are relying on written testimony passed down over generations for your information. I would like to hear how it is different.
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Here are fourteen natural phenomena which conflict with the evolutionary idea that the universe is billions of years old.
I'm a Christian and believe the bible, and spent much time researching young earth vs old earth. The science supporting either is far over my head. I'm comfortable saying I really don't know, and if it were proven either way tomorrow beyond any doubt, it would not change my belief system at all.
While other religons may have "similar" stories to that of Jesus, it is an undeniable fact that around 2000 years ago, something happened in the region of Israel, and a group of people started literally turning the world upside down. Even secular scholars will acknowledge the fact that Jesus existed. He was here and claimed to be God in the flesh. This leaves us with basically 3 options:
1) He wasn't God, and he knew it. This man would have pulled off the greatest hoax in the history of mankind, and it would go against everything he taught his disciples, and he was a fool to die for a hoax.
2) He wasn't God, and didn't know it. Jesus would be a lunatic, and while it could explain his willingness to die, it goes strongly against some of the soundest teachings mankind has ever received.
3) He was who he claimed to be.
There are no other options. He wasn't a moral man or a good teacher. Those are not options and he never intended for them to be.
I realize this is a little OT from the original post, but Christianity vs. other religons has been discussed a little, so I felt it was ok. Not trying to hijack the thread.
I don't want to hear about how young the earth is from a book from the bible. It's literature. That's it. The earth is millions of years old. Scientists already debunked the "6,000 year old earth" myth, kid. Your beliefs are as close to the bible as I've ever seen or heard. You must hate science and technology.
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At first I thought this was a troll... but then you kept posting.
The list of ancient "heroes" that were of virgin birth, cured illnesses, walked on water, etc. is a mile long
If the Big Bang theory is the following, or something close to it...
There was a dense mass that was rotating in space and it began rotating faster and faster and got hot and created pressure and exploded and continued expanding into the universe we know today. (VERY rough and dirty version)
1) Where did that mass come from?
2) Physics state that if an object is rotating and a secondary object flies off of that object, the secondary object will rotate the same direction as the original object. If the original "mass" that was the universe was spinning and created stars and planets, there would be no way we could have planets that spin backwards, like we do.
Those are my 2 biggest problems, but someone correct me if I gave a faulty premise with the Big Bang theory.
How many were killed, came back to life, and appeared to hundreds of people? Paul wrote about a group of 500 who Jesus appeared to. He included in his letter that if you didn't believe Paul, go talk to these people, because most of them are still alive. Pretty bold statement if he was full of bs.
Seriously? He kept meticulous notes of his location and brought back many things from the "new world". He made four trips in total. Just because it was 500+ years ago doesn't mean they didnt have the technology and knowledge to map locations and coordinates.
Nope, I actually love science and technology. You saying scientist proved the 6000 year old myth false doesn't make it true. And why would that be troll? I stated exactly what the bible teaches
Very many actually. The second coming of a "hero" was not novel idea at the time.
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