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Uh, i never said that. I said i don't watch court cases usually. I have watched this one.
This is a show trial. I would say the prosecution's only chance is for Trayvons mom to get on stand and say its his voice screaming and then cry on stand a lot.
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Not what has been proven, but just what I think ....
I think GZ got out of his vehicle to both keep an eye on TM (follow, not chase) and get to a better location to meet the cops. I don't think he had any intention of chasing TM down, but rather just keep his eyes on him and preferably getting to an easy place to describe/meet the dispatched officer. I don't think his 100% focus was on following TM. JMHO. Put it with $5 and you can get a Starbucks coffee.
I do think that whether or not GZ ran after TM is rather inconsequential unless the DA can show proof that GZ struck (or attempted to strike) TM first. I see what you are getting at, in that GZ was reckless in chasing TM and that is what started the whole thing that ultimately led to TM's death. I just disagree that the mere act of following TM would be "reckless" enough in the sense of manslaughter. It is reckless to twirl a gun, drive 80 mph on city streets (illegal even), drive drunk... and all of these it is reasonable to assume that doing so could cause death/serious injury to innocent people through no action of their own. In this case TM appears (legally speaking with GZ as the defendant) to have been MUCH more than an innocent bystander and appears to have likely started the physical altercation (or it is at least very plausible from a GZ defense POV). If the DA could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that GZ was chasing (as in running after, not walking/following) and cornered TM or TM turned and fought instantly (not with convo that led to GZ walking away/reaching for phone) and then...
RD, I agree with coolstorybro on gut feeling. I do think circumstantial evidence backs this up
1 - No charges filed until after the media uproar
2 - Media spun it as an innocent kid (certainly not the full story and an inaccurate picture)
3 - President's "If I had a son..." statement
4 - look at the case the DA has presented to date, weak to say the least
5 - didn't go to grand jury for indictment
I can't say for sure (no doubt proof), but if I had to bet and there was a way to know what was going through the DA's mind when he decided to charge GZ, it would be a combination of politics and race relations.
If he followed or even chased him at night, while carrying a loaded weapon, that's reckless to me. Plus you have to consider that martin was a minor.
a) he has a license to carry so it's legal. You have to take classes to receive it usually. How is that reckless if hes been taught how to handle it?
b) how does that matter at all in how the events unfolded? If TM were 1 year older then this wouldn't have occurred?
Here Jamie Foxx explains it all...
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Do u just skip to the end? Reckless doesnt have to b illegal. If youre doing something illegal it approaches murder 2.
yes. would you rather me quote something 5 pages back that i just read through or just stick to whats current.
They said the "N" word...that is rassis
you completely missed the whole pt of what i was saying. If he has been taught how to handle the gun and the state believes that he is capable of handing a gun well enough to give him a carry license, then why would it be reckless for him to be carrying a gun on his person?
And they called Rachel G a bitch...embarrassing
Pretty clear Jamie Foxx wore the T-Shirt to say "I got you community" and has no clue of the details of the case
Contest: Find one African American on TV news who believes Zimmerman
Nothing in itself wrong with carrying a gun. But carrying one and putting urself in a position where a confrontation is likely is irresponsible and reckless. Part of his training is that he should be smart about where he puts himself because of the how decisive his weapon is. He ignored a ton of his training, which is the problem. Gun training goes beyond aiming and pulling the trigger.
Oh....here you go with the race thing again. Some people are just that way I guess. You should travel more and it'll help ir sickness.
Anybody that objectively compares the 911 tape with his reenactment doesnt believe him. It's amazing that you talk down on their bias and completely ignore your own.
TV is so representative of an entire race. You won't find any white repubs on the other end of your scenario.
2 things before i pass out.
1) I'll admit there are several instances where it is obvious that confrontation is likely. Those instances are very minimal however imo. Outside of that, theres no way you can know that there will be some sort of confrontation. (getting back to the trial) Your answer seems to stem from the fact that you already know how the events turned out. No one in Zimmerman's position could know what would transpire after he got out of his car. that's a fact that no one can deny. If you disagree, then it's obvious that you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
2) "he should be smart about where he puts himself because of the how decisive his weapon is" - WHAT? I don't even know where to start with this. So he is dumb for trying to protect his private neighborhood from a suspicious person after several robberies in the area while having a gun holstered? The decisiveness/lethality/ finality of his weapon wasn't an issue until the outside party(TM) forced his hand.
Based on the way the trial is going, the evidence presented, and the testimony of witnesses, I wonder why? Maybe because all 3 of those items listed back up what they're saying. Just maybe. Just a smidge?
Really - watched "the N word" on CNN and there were two white guys bashing Zimmerman.
If you do not think this whole case is based on race....you are a fool
Zimmerman should be freed and compensated for the price of the bullet, the DA should be fired, Saban should be given a raise, and Weedline should become a mod. Lets make this happen guys
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I do not totally agree with your view. Depending on how he "chased" TM, it could be reckless. Walking or following at a distance would not be reckless to me. Running hard and yelling threatening statements would likely make it reckless.
The point about TM being a minor is TOTALLY irrelevant to me. TM appeared to be a grown man, was legitimately acting suspicious (according to GZ) and all GZ attempted to do (as it seems now and is certainly plausible) was to watch him. It was TM's decision to escalate to violence, again as it appears. In this very plausible scenario, it is not reasonable for GZ to know that he was a minor, nor would knowing it change whether or not GZ was justified in pulling the trigger.
My opinion wasn't strong. I'm from Miami and I know the type of kid Trayvon was. I don't mean black by that. I mean a kid with a tough guy persona. Plenty of them that are white and Spanish too. The only point you have tried to make is that he lied. So what beyond that proves his guilt even of manslaughter?
Fact: RD would consider Zimmerman reckless regardless. The prosecution and defense have proven otherwise in this case.
No it doesn't. My gf had a dude try and strong arm his way into her car. Pulled out the bodyguard and buddy had a change of heart. What he did is completely permissible. Carrying a gun shouldn't change the dynamics of a person at all. Just act like you always do and don't let people know you're carrying.
^^^ this ^^^
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