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It's not just small businesses. There really isn't much we can do about how much Nike pays workers in China, but we do have control over how much people are paid here. You are advocating helping american business by screwing the average worker on our own soil. The only difference between that and sending jobs overseas is the location.
Your logic is flawed, you hate off-shoring but are content with the same thing happening in your back yard. That's just stupid.
First off, making $4 an hour in America is a hell of a lot better than making a nickel an hour in China. Second, if we're really that concerned with curbing "government leaches," why don't we start with those people that don't actually work a hard day's work?
But do you really want to know why I'm against deporting these people? Because they do work, and they work hard, and they do jobs that other Americans feel they are above doing. Quite frankly, we could take a page out of their books when it comes to earning a day's pay. I'd be quite content with them making minimum wage; they've earned it.
Yeah we all get that, but the extent to which that would be the case you are exaggerating. Also in our current situation we are paying foreigners in lieu of Americans, foreigners who send much of the money they make out of the country, and what little they keep doesn't equate to as much economic activity as would be generated by Americans doing the same jobs at minimum wage or higher. Not to mention that increasingly illegals are creeping up into different jobs that were previously done by Americans because businesses don't want to pay the higher wages. Apples aren't going to suddenly jump up ten dollars by getting rid of illegal workers, that's just ridiculous.
The same arguments you are making were made by southern planters in the 19th century in regard to slavery, the exact same arguments. They were wrong then and you are now.
All non-sense. The $4 compared to a nickel is irrelevant as the effect on American jobs is the same.
And now Americans won't work for next to nothing, but they will work if the price is right.
The last paragraph is just emotion filled non-sense that has no place in a rational discussion. And btw, Americans work plenty hard ourselves.
Really? Because all of your (and others) comments in other threads says otherwise when it comes to Americans and working. Hence why "leaching" comes up in every discussion.
Wow. In those discussions I don't think I have ever referred to the entire US population in that regard.
Your argument has strayed into the absurd now, see you in another thread, some other time.
Anybody else wants to a have a rational discussion that doesn't involve absurdities and talking points I am willing but I won't respond to the bull**** that has been thrown at me by the last two posters any longer.
You referred to poor people that way. Who do you think will take over these jobs when illegals get deported?
That is all they have. They can't have a real conversation without name calling, ignorant stereotyping, or making absurd comparisons that make no sense. My guess is that they are know it all teenagers with no life experience.
see: Obama, Barack Hussein (Barry)
Please tell me you're not actually a "birther." That would just be too priceless.
Ah yes, because the more life experience you have, the more valid your opinion is on political matters.
So you think I should take people who live at home with their parents, have no education, have no work experience, have never purchased a house or car, have no credit, etc seriously when they try to tell me what is best for the country and what I need?
Everything that you post is a sarcastic deflection and brings nothing to the conversation. See if you can respond to this without an immature deflection or calling me a name.
Way to create a strawman there.
What I'm saying is that your political opinion isn't necessarily more valid than a teenager's just because you've managed not to die up until this point in time. To dismiss teenagers and their opinions because of a lack of life experience is just foolish, and it's that attitude (among other things) that lost the Republicans the 2008 election.
Sure, there are plenty of teenagers who know nothing about politics. Of course, there are also tons of adults who know nothing about politics. Just because someone isn't yet 20 years old doesn't mean that they don't know what they're talking about.
Would you take a single person seriously that was a marriage counselor?
Would you listen to someone's opinion about Canada if they had never been there?
I wouldn't, but to each his own, I guess. Before you try to spin this to fit your agenda, my point is that people with no experience on finances, budgets, taxes, etc should not be taken seriously when they comment on fixing the economy. That is one example of many on how experience gives a person more perspective on things, instead of repeating what they heard or talking out of their ass.
Ah yes, I was wondering when this canned response would come up. 'Cause someone says it every. Damn. Time.
Someone deflects and name calls in almost every post they make. Yet it is a "canned" response when they are called out about it, even though it is true. Nice deflection.
Mike Leach never played football, but I'd say we all took him seriously as a coach. What I take seriously is how well a person does something, like their job for example.
It's a "canned response" because, nearly verbatim, it is said in every single political thread. That's not deflection, that's an observation. So when you talk about people slinging insults or just ducking the discussion, I'd like to know if you're the pot or the kettle?
Do you think he read a book and became a good coach or do you think he got where he is from coaching EXPERIENCE? I agree with your job comment but my comments were based on dude saying life experience isn't necessary to be taken seriously. Someone who talks out of their ass without the experience to know what they are talking about is not taken seriously by me.
Should experience be taken into account when judging someone? Of course. But should you immediately write someone off for lacking it? No. Quite frankly, I think as a society we look for any reason to write people off early and often. If we would take the time to hear what people have to say and see what their ideas are, I think we could accomplish a lot more.
But even then, people will even overlook experience if said expert doesn't share the same viewpoint as them. Americans, IMO, get more cynical and confrontational with each passing day.
Economic analysis regarding the impacts of immigration reform versus deportation on the US GDP.
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like $*!#
"Before I try to spin this"? Don't flatter yourself.
You're making yet another false equivalency. Just because someone hasn't lived through/experienced something doesn't mean that their opinion should be ignored on the matter. If a single person had gotten an education in therapy and counseling, of course I'd listen to them. Same for Canada - if someone had gotten an education, done their research, and put in the effort to learn about Canada, of course I'd listen to them.
Automatically dismissing someone because they haven't experienced something is stupid. Watch:
Have you ever illegally immigrated into the US? If not, your opinion on immigration doesn't matter.
Have you ever been a woman and had an abortion? If not, your opinion on abortion doesn't matter.
Have you ever been poor and on welfare? If not, your opinion on welfare and public aid doesn't matter.
Do you see how silly that argument is?
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