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1. Thanks for bringing this up first 2. For having concern about a difficult issue that impacts real people. 3. For doing so in a non-threatening way. Being in the healthcare industry I am sensitive to this. I do not lack the compassion to understand the impact that this has. Full disclosure I am a minister too and I would be considered conservative although not extreme or judgmental. Also just to be honest I am familiar with friends who have struggled with the homosexual issue and are fighting what they view as a temptation and sin as well as those who embrace it. Ok as to your question it is complicated and multi-faceted and should be treated as such.
I will start with the provider side of the issue. Providers ie. MD's, Hospitals etc. Take on a huge liability when providing care and thus must provide protection for themselves and those for whom they care. Thus rules are in place to protect both as to who has say so in decisions.......THIS MUST EXSIST!
Ok again I do have compassion for those locked out of making decisions for those they love. I was dating my wife when she had a hospitalization and it is a difficult time! I felt helpless and I just wanted to help/comfort and love her.
To your issue of equal and fair I respectfully disagree. As a non blood relative I had zero say so over the healthcare decisions of the women who is now mother of my child, my wife, and my life partner THE SAME SITUATION gays find themselves in. It was an equal situation.
I serve a Creator and God who allows decisions and does not FORCE a view on His creation and I believe Christian leaders should follow His lead in general society (inside the Church is different and membership and Biblical standards should apply). That said I will approach this as a practical matter because my beliefs are not shared by many (sin). I am not an attorney or a healthcare administrator making decisions but am fairly certain that every entity that I have worked for would honor a "Healthcare Power of Attorney" presented regardless of age, race, gender, color, religion, or sexual orientation.
That said my solution to the issue you presented is those choosing the homosexual lifestyle (yes I believe it is a choice no one forced their behavior just like no one forced me to marry my wife) should empower those they love with a revocable/limited or anywhere in between "healthcare power of attorney". The problem is that we live in a something for nothing society and people don't want to be accountable to prepare ahead for anything but we should move to this model because it actually protects more people. People can reach higher highs if we push ourselves hard to achieve we can exceed our our expectations. People just need hope that they can...again thanks for a great discussion.
Also socialism. Or communism. Or Nazis. Or something.
In memory of Tusks.
Reread it with my edit.
You're about to get destroyed for bringing real world occurances, experiences and facts into this discussion. This thread is for hypotheticals, hyperbole and emotion. There's no place here for logic.
You said you were dating your wife and had a hard time and described it as feeling HELPLESS AND WANTED TO COMFORT AND LOVE HER, yet if you were married you would have been able to make that choice SO IT IS NOT THE SAME since if you were were married you WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ... you felt the pain that gay people feel even if they were together for 50 years.
This post was edited by MichRedWingFan7 2 years ago
But yet he provided a simple alternative to solving the problem which, if they were to act on it, would already provide them the benefits you're pretending they can't have without getting married. So, yet again, I must point out that it is clear that your motive here isn't to help gay people gain these "rights" such as healthcare extended to spouses, tax breaks for married people, and a say in medical treatment. You clearly just want something to whine about and to judge people over.
Or, instead of forcing a power of attorney, how about they are able to make that decision without having to go through that process.
Better yet, if the solution was so simple, why did the person who wrote the post go through such a painstakingly terrible time because he felt helpless and unable to act on his love for that person. I only imagine it was that terrible time that he experienced that made him realize what needed to be done in retrospect.
Edit: I work in the insurance industry as well, probably not the same one though. I only deal in business insurance. It is a good year if we write $300,000,000 in premium and have $225,000,000 in losses
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MichRedWingFan7 2 years ago
Probably because, like most homosexuals who haven't done it yet, the thought never crossed his mind. But, really, how is a PoA any more trouble than getting a marriage license? It isn't. But it is a hell of a lot easier than whining about who can and can't have their marriage sanctioned by some power hungry group who, in reality, shouldn't be in the business of sanctioning any marriage, gay or straight. Again, all the "rights" you are referring to can be gained with much less effort than you're expending whining about gay marriage. If you'd have put a little effort into those workable options years ago instead of wasting time stirring the pot, all these poor homosexuals would have gotten those benefits years ago. Instead, your little group decided to make noise, whine and judge for the sake of making noise, whining and judging, not to actually get benefits to homosexuals.
This post was edited by Uncle DP 2 years ago
but yet, if he was married, it would have not been a problem .... do they have that option???????????????????????????????
Edit: There is also no way to get ALL the benifits of marriage without being married ...
Yeah, they have the option. He just presented a very simple solution. You choose to ignore it because, if you were to accept it, you couldn't continue trolling people about gay marriage.
Edit: And yes, they can get ALL the benefits of being married without being married. Some of it will take some work, but you could have been there long ago had you not preferred to just be a troll.
And I am trolling how?
Is everything equal?
Are ALL rights afforded to married couples that non married gay couples have?
Do they need to spend a lot of money to get it and I guarantee they don't get all the benefits even if they spend money on those they don't.
No, they don't get it now but they could already have it if your goal from the beginning had been to get them the benefits instead of whining and judging. If you actually cared about the plight of the gays, they wouldn't be suffering now. But, hey, at least you had fun and got to judge a few folks along the way. That should make them feel better.
If my goal from the beginning had been to get to get them benifits instead of whining .... what????
Whining, making noise, bitching, moaning, judging, trolling, etc. I apologize. I should have never engaged a troll like yourself but I couldn't resist.
My point was that they did not have equal rights ... you yourself in you previous point to this said and I quote "No, they don't get it now but they could already have it if your goal from the beginning had been to get them the benefits instead of whining and judging"
I am confused as to who is "Whining, making noise, bitching, moaning, judging, trolling, etc"
In my opinion, the two party system (or the lobbyists that have both in their back pocket) will be the downfall of this country but it is very astutute of you to say that gays will collapse this country.
Okay, when do you believe the downfall of this country started and give examples of why
It's cool that they get abused socially, forcing many of them to commit suicide. They're gay. Who cares, AMIRITE?
Wow. Now this came out of left field.
so if I make socks, it will lead to the downfall of this country?
Or if 1 million people make socks, it is the downfall?
What kind of chips did you match with your sandwich tonight and how did you come to make that choice? Were you pleased with your decision?
So I'm a sheep for supporting gay rights... When two friends of mine were brutally assaulted in high school for being homosexuals? One was a woman for God's sake.
I think the socks he was referring to were the type that hang from your and your boyfriend's anuses following too much sex.
You guys try too hard.
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