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Yeah it's not the same thing at all, Obamacare is really really bad legislation and that will become abundantly clear to you within 24 months.
Romney was going to kill all the women Smitty. You should thank that woman for your wife still being here. The War on Women was defeated!
Rabble Rabble Rabble
Nothing will happen and these people will just find something else to complain about. To live in constant panic sounds exhausting. Glad I don't.
You can't "win" a war against an ideology, in this case terrorism. It's a never ending affair.
Yeah you can, you can impose change on a culture, but you have to be ruthless to do it.
Your insurance premiums really are going to go through the roof, and millions of peoples employers will dump them onto the government health exchanges...which aren't going to be free btw. This stuff is really, actually going to happen. No scare tactics.
We've had terrorists from our own country. Unless you turn everything into a police state, circa 1984, they'll still come around. Hell, even then, they still would. Crazy happens.
Crazy happens and being part of the fabric of a society are two different things.
only solution IMO
True, but the problem is that "society" is not one you can defeat geographically. Groups like Al Quaeda may have started in the Middle East but their membership and sphere of influence have gone global. That's true for most large terrorist organizations I'd say. I'm all for changing the culture in the Middle East, but I don't think having a strong military presence there is necessarily deterring terrorists. If we were fighting against the nations and their armies sure, occupation would work. But I think the key here is continued infiltration and surveillance, using small special forces teams to smoke these guys out and work their way through the ranks. Which I bet they're already doing, so I guess we're playing the waiting game.
This post was edited by sf2k4 13 months ago
All you have to do is occupy and rule with absolute authority and you can change a culture, Al-qaeda can be defeated...it's just that you have to actually try.
Occupy where though? Some of these organizations operate on a global scale. That's the biggest issue we're facing now.
They are based in the Middle East, if you uproot them there it would basically kill them off.
Obama gives Jordan another $200 million yesterday. Good move.
We're having a hard time establishing authority in only a few of the countries over there. The entire Middle East? Good luck (and get ready to inflate our already bulbous defense budget).
Plus, I still think you're downplaying the globalization of groups like this.
Our problem is not with our Military force and capabilities, nor is it the fault of our hands being tied behind our back. The problem is the rest of the world has learned how to defeat a Giant using guerilla tactics. Anyone that’s ever read “The Art of War” knows how to defeat an Army of Superior Power. Our Military’s strength lies in BIG D!CK tactics that could defeat a traditional Military using brute force. Unfortunately, the world has changed and we now fight an enemy who has never been conquered this way. We have to rely and train using small unit tactics. The way we operate, we simply refuel their military essentially keeping them armed forever. Not every bomb we drop detonates…. Where do you think the road side IEDs come from? In this type of war, large numbers should only be used to distract and maneuver enemy forces in order to use smaller units to accomplish tactical feats. The longer we are there, the easier it is for them to recruit against us. I can promise you our Military is moving more towards smaller unit tactics and less on invasions.
If I wanted to defeat a Country, I’d simply keep them occupied in numerous different territories causing them to spread their numbers thin….and watch them bankrupt their homeland. Sound Familiar?
Nope. Guerrilla warfare is not new, it has always been around, every great power has dealt with it...much better than we have. The colonial powers dealt with it and were able to stamp it out...but they were also willing to do whatever it took.
Also do you not think our Pentagon is aware of how to fight these guys? They are...they just aren't allowed to do it.
Guerilla war is definitely not new, you're right....but until the Vietnam War we were built for destroying Major traditional Militaries like Germany or Russia (examples). We weren’t accustomed to fighting wars designed for guerilla warfare. That’s my point. The pentagon understands the mistakes we’ve made and that’s why Special Forces of all branches are much more involved than in the past. I wouldn’t have a job if it wasn’t for this fact. I agree our hands are tied to an extent… I just don’t personally believe that to be a major issue. I’ve never known a predator strike to miss an opportunity ;)So in short, I don’t disagree with you at all…..just feel our major issues revolve around strategy. Cheers
Also, America is free today because the British couldn't defeat Guerilla tactics....Russia couldn't defeat Guerilla tactics in Afghanistan, etc...etc
I agree that there has been a needed transition and that previously we weren't made for this sort of war.
I maintain that ROE is a pretty major setback, that not only makes us less efficient, but demoralizes our troops as well.
The British weren't willing to use the same tactics necessary to squash a rebellion in the 13 colonies as they were in their other colonies. Colonies in which they successfully stamped out any sign of trouble.
They were less heavy handed with us because we were basically British.
This post was edited by TroyTide 13 months ago
What exactly are you referring to when you say our armed forces "aren't allowed" to do something?
They aren't allowed to do, or kill, whatever necessary to win. When you are conquering a country you have to be willing to kill anyone or destroy anything in order to maintain control. Including not making the distinction between military and civilians. For instance if the people of a village are harboring terrorist you should punish and make an example of not only the terrorist but the villagers as well.
This is how all the empires and colonial powers of the past did business, they nipped rebellions in the bud, and made clear their that their power was absolute and unquestionable. And that any challenges to their power would be dealt with swiftly and cruelly.
The idea that we can't tame the Middle East is erroneous, it has been tamed before, and can be again. You just have to do it right.
But should we do things the way they were done before or should we use our knowledge and experience from past events coupled with modern technology and advances to take a new approach?
The weapons might change, but war is always the same.
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