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I'm not going to read thru this garbage thread, but can only assume the OP would've been talking about how shittily Obama handles his and this countries finances if he paid a higher rate.
Haha not a good attempt. 0/10 troll.
Well you basically become rich no matter what when you become President because your speaking fee will immediately go to the million plus mark. Great speakers like Obama (whether or not you like his politics, he's a great speaker) command a much higher rate.
Make 5 speeches a year and you're Nick Saban rich, unless you donate some of your speaker fees (as some former Presidents have done). Not a bad post-White House occupation. Plus you still get to travel like a boss with SS.
This was the least that he has made in awhile. He has made over $1M a year in the past.
What on earth are you blabbering about? What does any of that have to do with what I said? I've posted numerous times that the age of the Renaissance Man has passed us by. We don't view cultural appreciation for things like the theatre or art as "manly" anymore. And I hate that we worship athletes and celebrities and wish they made the money teachers make and vice versa but capitalism doesn't work that way. But what does any of that have to do with not feeling the need to act like I'm superior than other people? What does it have to do with not being elitist?
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by sf2k4 12 months ago
I think you're confusing "looking up" to poor citizens or "aspiring to be" poor with not feeling the need to look down on poor people or insult them or make them feel shameful. I work hard at what I do and I aspire to be successful and wealthy. I've never said anything to the contrary. But none of that means I should feel obligated to go around "kicking the dog" so to speak. I just don't see why we need to say things like, "Poor people should be ashamed!" That doesn't mean we shouldn't encourage them to do things to improve their life situations, be that education or more work or any number of solutions to better oneself. But it also doesn't mean we have to treat them like they're less of a person than we are, like they're not really human. As a society we can be successful and compassionate, and quite frankly, that kicks the sh!t out of Victorian elitism.
Damn...I'm definitely conservative, but it's not shameful to be poor unless you are a leech, but the two can be, and often are, mutually exclusive. FWIW, Ayn Rand agrees with you, and that's why I wish repubs would stop using her as some kind of idol.
And then you go and do something like this.....and TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
Would rather see a "duck dynasty" upper class than snobby uppity rich folks. FWIW IMEHO FTW
Wrong, according to several posters on here, there is a very small % of poor people that are leeches. The overwhelming majority of poor people work their asses off and are just in a slump. The ones that are unemployed turn in 20 applications a week and run their Obama phones out of minutes each month calling around and asking about open positions.
Shame on you for suggesting that people sit on the couch all day and watch Oprah while being completely dependent on the government. I suppose next you are going to tell me those people with 2 grocery carts full of ribs and steaks are getting that paid for by the taxpayers, too. Smh at you.
And according to you, most of them are.
Yes is wealth has increase to over $10M since being elected. He banked hard during the 2008 campaign and shortly after the election do to the half-truths he put to pen.
Me and everyone that doesn't live in a fantasy world. As mentioned many times by many people, nobody has a problem with the janitor example that you always bring up. It's the people that don't work, get huge tax refunds when they barely pay in, have iPhones and Obama phones, drive nice cars but live in the projects, don't look for jobs, have multiple kids by multiple fathers/mothers, etc. I guess you don't see this type in Utopia.
Yet you've yet to provide any sort of study or statistics or anything really to show, of the entire population living under the poverty line, how many of those people are the liberal leeches with the Obamaphones, Cadillacs, and lobster dinners. I've driven through some of the less-than-wealthy neighborhoods around my side of Atlanta and I've seen plenty of rundown houses and sh!tty automobiles. So remind me why my observations of the area in which I live ("utopia" as you put it) somehow are weighted less than your observations of the area in which you live?
You could very easily end this argument and cement your point by just providing a percentage of the under-poverty-line population who is abusing welfare. That's all.
Exactly, this is the majority of the lower class in this country. Must be nice being a liberal, the poor are noble, Islamism isn't threat, borrowing more than you make is a good thing...the world is so rosy and easy for liberals. Ignorance really is bliss I suppose.
Proof? Facts? Studies? Numbers? ANYTHING?
Ah yes...the if you can't provide a pie chart for the non-measurable then you must be wrong argument.
So what you're saying is, "No, I don't have anything to back up my assertions other than my opinion on the matter and/or my observations of a situation around me, two things I regularly use to say how your view of the world as some 'utopia' is out of touch with reality."
Do you think there is a box that they check on the consensus if they are abusing the system? Do you think someone with that mindset would tell on themselves and end their only income? You should run for governor of Utopia and BLF can be your advisor with his vast knowledge and experience in real life matters.
Prove to me that a small percentage of government dependent citizens do not abuse the system and I'll never bring it up again.
So you have nothing to back up your assertions at all? That's what I'm hearing.
Lets use a little critical thinking here...if half the country receives some form of government benefits, wouldn't it stand to reason that included in that half is most of the under-class? And since they usually stay poor wouldn't it make sense to conclude that they remain on government benefits?
But you don't have any proof either, at least I have common sense.
So now you're asserting that welfare is the determining factor of "worthless" and "lazy" people. How much money do you think people get on welfare?
Well, you have elitism, I'll give you that.
But you don't either.
This post was edited by justinboze 12 months ago
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