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I live in the Caribbean and most of the resorts are EDC (economic development) that pay straight cash for contract construction. I know of 5 people that do construction here that draw unemployment from the states while working here. Construction is just 1 of many examples of jobs that will pay cash.
There are husbands of my sister's employees that sit at home and smoke weed on the couch all day while their wives work decent paying jobs. The $300 or so a week unemployment isn't great money but it is good enough for them to be content not looking for other work.
Still ducking it because you can't provide a single shred of evidence to back up your ridiculous views.
A US territory? Funny...I was just listening to a report a few days ago about US corporations setting up entities in Puerto Rico and transferring profits via Royalty payments to these entities and avoiding taxes.
Edit: found it...attached.
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This post was edited by dgoz 15 months ago
You've never actually been around poor people have you? I don't mean the soup kitchen, I mean known them, grew up with them, hung out with them. Or worked in a business frequented by them.
Because if you had you would know why we that are arguing with you, all think you are so damn stupid.
Most of then play the system, it's a game and they know the rules and know them well. The whole using food stamps then cash for cigs actually happens I had it happen twice this morning. You are deluding yourself into believing in the myth of the noble poor.
Now this doesn't necessarily make them bad people most aren't, they game the system because they can and get away with it. They are doing what they feel is best for them, unfortunately it screws the rest of us.
But by all means stay in your little bubble and tell us how wrong we are, when in reality you have no idea you are just regurgitating talking points.
Could not have said it better myself
Yes, but not PR. However, on a clear day, I can see it.
I agree with you about milking the system but I will add this. A lot of the govt programs that are presented as "help you get on your feet" are in fact structured in such a way that the person can't ever get ahead or back on their feet. I almost think its by design. I can also assure you that those systems get abused on both ends. None of this makes it right, but it is what it is.
Look at you, acting like you know me! I grew up poor, and the vast majority of my friends operated on low incomes. It's hilarious that you think whatever experience you've had with poor people is universal.
Answer me this: if "cheating the system" is as big of an issue as you claim it is, why can't you point to anything beyond mere anecdotes to show that there's some sort of an issue?
Of course there are poor people who "game the system," but every single income group does this. How many middle class people do work for cash under the table? Have you seen how much we spend for basic items in the military budget? Hell, how do Mitt Romney and Obama get away with paying less than a 20% effective tax rate? People of all income levels game the system in ways to enrich themselves at the government's expense - but that's to be expected, and the mere existence of some people who game the system doesn't justify condemning an entire income group.
Beyond unverifiable anecdotes, I have seen absolutely no evidence of the endemic fraud and cheating that you seem to believe run roughshod over governmental benefits of any kind. You may call it "staying in a bubble," but the fact remains that I have seen no evidence that suggests that "cheating the system" is even a significant problem, much less a problem of the magnitude you assume when saying that a majority of poor people abuse the system.
Here's your chance to shut me up forever on this topic: just show me anything that demonstrates beyond a reasonable doubt that a majority of poor people are abusing the system. Anything at all.
Lol. OMG, I can't do this anymore.
You are just flat out lying, nothing else to say here.
I'm really not sure why asking for literally anything to support your opinion is so difficult for you. You'd think, if your view was correct in any way, there'd be some evidence. I mean, that'd be downright logical.
How dare you think you know what's happened in your own life better than TroyTide?!
I don't think Going Buck is old or ugly. That was a really mean thing to say.
And there it is. You assume your life experiences = all experiences in this country. In the scientific community we call that a "poor sample size."
And this is exactly why I said before that there is no shame in being poor. You and I are on opposite sides of the tax debate, and to a large degree on the welfare/assistance debate. On the other hand, you've apparently educated yourself well and are a productive citizen (as far as I can tell from my laptop, lol). For the huge majority of this thread, I've been content on the sidelines, but I don't see how anyone can believe it's shameful to be poor. Most of my family on my mother's side grew up as poor sharecroppers, and my dad's side, while better off, still were working class. And by that, I mean "can to can't see" working class. Neither side of my family ever backed away from debt, hard times, family responsibility, or the military draft, so they damn sure don't have anything to be ashamed of. I believe loopholes in welfare should be closed to prevent abuse, and I believe in responsible spending, but there's not a damned thing wrong with doing your level best for your family and still being poor. Maybe I'm not a good conservative, but fvk it, I don't like politics anyway.
There are 2 home videos that exist from when I was really young (3-4 yrs old) and in every one, you can see that the only toys I had were what other people might affectionately refer to as "trash." I had drumsticks made out of branches, a drum made out of an old water jug, and a pirate spyglass and kaleidoscope made out of cardboard tubes, among other makeshift toys. My parents didn't have a cent to spend on my amusement but they still made sure I enjoyed myself growing up. There is absolutely zero shame in being poor, and those who think there is can go themselves.
Poor now and poor "then" aren't viewed on the same platform by a lot of people I've noticed. They're considered "different."
Correct. You are completely missing it. Probably not an uncommon occurrence.
I was spoiled. My mother and all her siblings put themselves through college and my dad built his own company. I didn't want for anything, but I never forgot what they and their parents and grandparents went through to make my life easy. I suppose my reasoning for being conservative and your for being liberal are the same, we just see it from different perspectives. My philosophy is conservative, but I don't hitch my wagon to any 1 person or ideology because I disagree with everyone on something. I feel for hurting people who do their best and have no sympathy for those who are passive.
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