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I can only speak for those in my area, but it's abused early and often here and the ones doing it seem to be fairly vocal of their accomplishments. Pleeeenty of people in my town paying for their buggy full of ribeye's with food stamps just after filling up their 2013 Tahoe's/Escalades (just one example).
Is that enough info to tell me their life story? No, it's not. Regardless, If its being abused then the holes need to be closed. How's the best way? IDK. What I do know is I was laid-off and actively seeking a new position for 18 months. No one and I mean NO one was hiring. The first 12 months I received no assistance. The day I was approved for aid $$$ was sad because I never thought I would be in that situation. I never thought, not once, that I couldn't provide for my family without help. After I dropped my pride I can truly say we truly needed and appreciated that little bit we received that last 6 months.
Today I co-own a successful business, money isn't an issue and several thousand go into savings regularly. I hope others put forth as much effort as I did before getting help as well as getting back "OFF" assistance ASAP once you get back on your feet. That's how it was designed and it's not being used that way. You're "likely kidding yourself" if you believe otherwise.
This post was edited by Red Goodman 18 months ago
"Nobody makes me bleed my own blood, nobody!"
I couldn't agree more. There are people out there who work hard & are trying but need the help. I have absolutely no problem with that. But then there are lazy people who pop out kid after kid with no intention of working or paying their own way & expect Uncle Sam & the tax payers to foot the bill. The really sad part is, is they know they are getting over & have no problem with it. There needs to be a complete overhaul of the system. That gets the help to the people that deserve it & want to do their part & weeds out the pigs who take full advantage of it.
How has bamalivesfootball not posted in this thread yet?
Was he banned?
Lost a ban bet for a month about the NC. He'll be back in February.
Yep I agree. Think of how many more people could be helped if less abused the system. I know two guys, all good health, always hangin out at the house, chillin. Fridge is always full, never out of beer and cigarettes, bling'n 24/7. One hasn't worked in 3 years and hasn't applied for a job in 2. The other hasn't worked in 4 years and hasn't applied in 2.5 years. HOW? Simply unacceptable.
Yup. My sister's one girlfriend has 4 kids 2 different baby daddy's, she gets like a grand a month in food stamps plus cash assistance & lives in a rent free apartment. Milks it for every penny & has a bum boyfriend who has no job along for the ride. She also drives a brand new nissan maxima, in which she didn't earn. It;s just crazy, that they let people get away with this stuff.
I think this is one of the things that really distorts the conversation about public aid. Many people know "that guy" who abuses the system, but because people who actually benefit from such aid (as in your case, Red) rarely go out and completely publicize that they're receiving aid, people get a skewed picture of who is receiving federal/state aid.
Ageeed. That only leaves one question, how do you keep one and do away with the other?
Very much so.
Though, I call FOS on the 2013 Tahoes and steaks. From someone who actually worked as a cashier/bagger and have received assistance, that is the biggest load of crap ever. Never once in my time (or anyone I have ever worked with) have we ever had people pay for nothing but steaks or lobsters (while talking on their iPhones of course) while using a card. Just has never happened.
For every one case where it is abused, there is thousand where it isn't.
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I assume you're talking about keeping the people who legitimately benefit from aid and get rid of the fraud.
Honestly, it requires a fundamental change in the way a certain political party publicizes federal/state aid. Until politicians stop treating welfare/aid recipients as evil leeches and blaming them for the country's economic problems, the problem will remain. If the overwhelming tone of public opinion is a demonization of aid, the vast majority of those receiving aid will keep it quiet, and the only people who will publicize their acceptance of aid will be those who are shamelessly abusing the system.
On the other hand, you have people who aren't willing to accept aid due to the "shame" of it. All that refusal does is deny aid to people who need it and can use it, and it often ends up hurting the families of those people. The solution to this issue is to change the discourse surrounding aid, and until the acceptance of federal/state aid isn't viewed as some moral failing, we'll continue to have to deal with these problems.
As for eliminating the abusers, the problem is, in a system as large (and necessary) as federal and state aid in the US, there will inevitably be abuses. They may be few and far between, but it's functionally impossible to eliminate all fraud. The American political machine is fantastic at taking a few small incidents and blowing them up until they dominate public conversation (remember Reagan's "welfare queens"?) and until public discourse stops demonizing aid recipients, there's no incentive for political parties to stop riling up their base over an issue that involves a comparatively tiny amount of actual administrative waste.
Exactly. While the stats support this, there are a disturbing number of people who seem to believe the opposite, that there are thousands of cases of abuse for every legitimate use.
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This post was edited by CMXI 18 months ago
And that proves...nothing.
Listen bro, I hate to break this too you, but this is exactly part of the problem and we're all guilty of it. You know...the age old argument of "I didn't see it happen therefore It doesn't happen anywhere in America". It's the norm in my hometown where I still reside and your experiences where you worked as a bagger/cashier doesnt change that, at all. I have no agenda and haven't called out any president including Obama. I want the best for everyone which is why I simply asked how to give to those who need it and weed out the ones who don't.
The other guy is being a smartazz but I'm not sure why. I don't know the numbers nor claimed they were high. I'm simply giving you a picture of what I see here in my town and have no reason to lie to be quite honest.
I don't think he's being a smartass, he's just giving his personal view that happens to be the opposite side of the coin from you. You've seen this abuse, he hasn't.
I just provided some numbers to back up his (correct) assertion, I wasn't responding to anything you said.
He has lied since he started to run for President, he and his staff will one day account for the 4 Americnas killed in Benghize
You're right, he wasn't being a smartazz when he called me FOS in the second sentence. Nor was he when he dedicated his entire post to debunking my post which was CLEARLY about MY town only. What's sad is I made it clear (twice) that I wanted those who need it to have it and those who don't to get weeded out. SMFH
Just like Bush will account for the 4000 American soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq right?
BTW, it's spelled "Benghazi." If you're going to be outraged about a buzzword, at least know what you're supposed to be outraged about.
Last post ITT. My dad owns the oldest, most successful bail bonding company in our area. Voted #1 out of 150 companies 10 years in a row. He started it when I was 6 months old back in 1978. I've had my license since 2006. It's our job to know every detail about your income, work history and items of value (if needed - iPhones, vehicles, TV's) before getting you out of jail. my original two posts werent opinions "IN OUR AREA", they're facts. We have it on record. Not to mention I've seen countless clients in the local checkout lines.
I am however extremely glad to know its not the same everywhere else. That makes me feel much better, I've often wondered that very thing.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Red Goodman 18 months ago
That statement is completely innaccurate
RIP Lil Julio
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