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Destroyer of Lies and Misinformation!!!!
Lol. End of discussion. OK . Take your ball and go home. We will look you up come January.
Dive for the thrill, shoot for the kill.
Once again, Tressel, not Ohio State, was found to have mislead the NCAA after the fact. This led to the 2011 season being vacated due to the fact that Pryor and the other 4 would have been in-eligible from the start of the season. Tressel lying does not equate to Ohio State cheating. The NCAA ruled that those players would be eligible for the bowl game after they found out that 5 players had received improper benefits, but it pissed them off when they found out Tressel had made false statements so they went ahead and vacated a season that included a Sugar Bowl victory even though they already knew about what happened before the game. This is not cheating, it is the former HC making a terrible mistake that led to tragic circumstances for The Ohio State football program. It may not count, but it still happened so in that sense you are correct, but they did not have to cheat on the field to win that game, they were just a better team.
Regardless of all of that, we have a new coach with a new direction and until we meet up with a SEC team in the NC or a major bowl and get a W, these types of things will continue to be written.
Not getting in the argument, but a head coach, is the program.
Saying Tressel is not Ohio St would be like saying the President of the United States doesn't represent the United States.
That's a pretty stupid argument, IMO. The person in charge is and should be the program. If that person is not Ohio St, then no one that is a part of the football or any of the athletic programs is Ohio St.
Meh i don't think its quite that cut and dry, thats a little too cliche. I do agree in this case and only because id bet $$$ Gene knew about everything....Tress took the fall and im ok with that because he allowed a different set of rules for Pryor and he lied and covered it up. I do think there are cases where that isnt the case from a culpability standpoint unless its become culture at a University. imo
I agree with. It's not like tOSU was running a SMU type situation or that the culture was that of rampant cheating.
Things just got loose. It happens when you have a coach that has been around a while. You let the guard down.
My point is still that you can't say it's not a tOSU issue when the coach and as you pointed out the AD and maybe the President were possibly in the know.
Programs have to be responsible for those leading them just as those leading them have to be responsible for those they are leading. In the end, tOSU is in very good shape when things could have still continued to be solid, but maybe a hair stale under Tressel.
No doubt... they are often the highest paid State Employee and most definitely are the faces
How many times has Michigan knocked Ohio out of title contention? You build them up, we'll knock them down.
Nobody on this board can define the word regression.... but it sure gets used a lot.
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