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Why is an offense, such a Malzhan's or Chad Morris's, that disguises the play they are going to run called a "trick" or "mickey mouse offense" while a defense, such as Saban's, that disguises where the blitz is coming from considered "pro"?
This post was edited by AUgolf 21 months ago
Because people who don't know a lot about football but like to pretend they do need something to say.
I don't know. To me I only consider trick plays ones where a player does something different, like a WR throwing to a QB.
That being said, I don't hate trick plays. They take advantages of problems of a defense and that is the defenses fault.
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Bump....there has to ne at least one bama fan that can explain the difference
I don't call anything a trick or a gimmick.. honestly whatever leads you to winning the game do it... if you have a running QB run his ... if you have a WR that could be a QB us him... if you have your LB that can cover a receiver drop him back into coverage and blitz you CB... do whatever it takes to win with your talent... no such thing as a gimmick... people that call it a gimmick or a trick play are the people that are upset they didn't think the coach would call that...
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If I had to offer an explanation, it's as simple as Nick Saban defenses incorporate a lot of schemes that are consistently used at the NFL or "pro" level. Conversely, Malzahn, Morris and other spread innovators use a system that is not used frequently at the NFL level and is therefore seen as non-"pro" or gimmicky. However, the notion of getting offensive players in space to make plays is far from non-"prop" or gimmicky, so calling their systems such is a bit of a misnomer, though I can see how it applies.
People then take those semantics and load them with judgments and connotations for their own purposes.
This. I could expand, but I would more or less just be repeating this statement. I don't care what a coach does, or what label you give it, as long as my team wins.
"Quit trying to make a play and do your job!"
Actually, last season I noticed NFL teams incoporating the spread offense more than in the past.
I mainly asked because I constantly see bama fans saying AU ran a gimmick offense under Malzhan. They compare it to Saban running a "pro style" and say that Saban doesn't need to trick teams to win. Yet, Saban's defense mainly relies on confusing the offense to succeed.
In fact, by their standards, I would say that Saban runs a gimmicky defense. If not, he would always show where the blitz is coming from and what coverage the secondary is in and just see who wins. (not my opinion. Just applying bama fans logic)
Not quite. On 3rd down yes, but we play lots of Cover 1 and Cover 1 Robber on 1st and 2nd. Saban is known for stopping the run first and foremost, then using a creative blitz on 3rd once the offense is in an obvious passing situation.
You could also say we try to confuse defenses while we're on offense with how many motions and shifts we use pre-snap. But it's still a pro style offense with regards to the actual play.
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