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I also think its a good discussion
My thing is mostly a troll on stats, I don't really care about stats
If Im a defensive coach of a great defense like say Alabama, neither truly scare me but Clemson's is far more dangerous cause of match ups
Every corner in the world would rather cover a 5'8" midget like DeAnthony over a 6'1" speedster beast like Watkins
Clemson is more dangerous for this reason imo, cause their players can cause more problems against elite players
They have both played awful schedules and neither team is that good imo, and maybe Oregon beats Clemson
But if I had a choice of players Im taking 3 Tigers before I even consider a Duck, that makes them better to me... cause I prefer their players over Oregon's
Stats have little to do with it
fsufsu said... I've got about 10 great stories on Lane but all you need to know is he will never be a loser, that's for sure.
Thats a fair point
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Oregon's weak-tit receivers infuriate me but they serve a purpose. Barner goes down with a strong blast of ass... He gets these yards in large part because these receivers seal the fvck off the edges. I would be dancing in the streets if Barner won the Heisman, but in my head I know this guy isn't a first round draft pick and I know LMJ was far better.
Watkins and DAT are apples and oranges. But no corner wants to cover either IMO.
Yeah I mean your offense works like a surgeon, I disagree on DAT though
If I was an elite corner he wouldn't scare me as much as somebody like Watkins, and I know most have that attitude for Watkins can do so many things and does them better.... then you add the size difference and its a no brainer for me
DAT isn't really a deep threat and his blocking against somebody physical would be a joke imo
Remember Im talking about a elite defense here, one like Bama, LSU, FSU or UF
They all bring a kind of defense to the table that Oregon hasn't seen before and its my opinion that somebody like Clemson poses a greater threat cause sometimes somebody like Watkins just beats even the best.... there isn't anything you can do, Ellington and Hopkins the same thing
I haven't seen anybody on Oregon prove they can do the same, so until they do..... I gotta go with Clemson
Clearly the 2 best offenses in america though, thus the thread.... nobody else compares imo unless you are talking Bama who is probably the hardest to stop from doing what they do
Oregon fans can down vote all the want, its close
This post was edited by NoVaNoles 17 months ago
Why I'm saying apples and oranges is that Watkins is asked to do different things than DAT. DAT is not going to be the same kind of deep threat that Sammy is, no doubt. It's not because of his hands or his speed it's because of his size. Boyd has a lot more margin for error in laying one out deep for Watkins. But DAT is lining up all over the place... It's pretty rare when he's isolated one on one on the outside. They just want to get him the ball in space... And when he has it he's devastating.
And I know you're talking about elite defenses... But in the LSU game, who was the only dude that looked like he belonged on the field with LSU? DAT. Yeah he pretty much fumbled the game away, but he was balling. And that was his first collegiate game ever.
Clemson's receivers >>>>>>> Oregon receivers. But if Oregon's receivers can sustain blocks against Bama's DBs I'll take them over Clemson's any day.
So I guess that Kiper (who has Barner in the 1st) and Jim Harbaugh (who drafted LMJ in the 2nd) are morons. Good to know.
Exactly. Noles always talks about how FSU is an elite D, but when they played a real offense they were taken to school. Noles is just upset he's not a Bama fan. Worst poster ever. That's why he has had multiple accounts on the BB. He pretty much just trolls the top teams until he's banned and then starts another account with his parents credit card. I wonder if Noles has ever worked a day in his life? Obviously he does not have a job. Anyone who post on this board a few times per hour is definitely unemployed, but he can still manage to pay for this site, hence the parents credit card. I have this image of Noles and I have a feeling I'm pretty accurate as to how this kid is. That's why I love him. He is definitely a character. I will definitely buy him a beer one day before I murder him and his whole family.
What an insult to compare barner to the 2nd leading rusher in conference history
yes Kiper is a moron
And Harbaugh blew that draft pick
Do you see a VIP under my name ? hence I don't pay for this site, any other theories ?
USC offense>Clemson offense.
Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken
I would probably agree in terms of talent, except Clemson has a better RB imo and Watkins is another wrinkle that can run the ball
USCw is certainly in the discussion for best offense, also worst defense
Overall I like Clemson better than USCw too, but its also very close
You say Watkins is a wrinkle, but let's throw all bullshit aside, Marquise Lee is the best football player in college football period. Do you think that there is any corner in America that wants any part of Lee?
No but acting like Lee is that much better than Watkins isn't fair, and might not even be true
Lee has the better QB and gets the ball more in the pass game, both are elite
No corner wants any part of either of them, Hopkins or Woods either
Saying Lee is hands down the best player in america is just a USCw fan hanging on to whatever he can say to make him feel good, like you assholes are known for
There are all kinds of players that belong in the discussion and there is no telling if Lee will have the best NFL career at WR or overall
Clemson sucks. They don't play anybody. How did Sammy Dropkins and the Clemson WR corps do against South Carolina last year? They were shut down! End of story.
Clemson has padded stats because they play ACC teams.
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This post was edited by jmsmooth33 17 months ago
Ay yi yi. There's nothing "fair" about it. Lee is the best college football player in America. Hands down. If you are willing to concede that SC is in the running for best offense, you also have to come to terms with the fact that Lee consists of 80% of it.
On every conceivable level, as a football player, Lee is better than Watkins. Right now. To suggest otherwise is insane. We can't make judgements based on who might be better in the NFL, we can only base them on what we can see today. But given that Lee meets all the physical metrics of an NFL WR there's no reason to believe he wouldn't be better at the next level either.
Nah. That's Jeff4SC without his Klan robes.
I think that without a doubt, that if you take the top-20 or so teams, and tell the coaches that they could take one player from another team and add them to their roster, that Lee would be, by far the most chosen player.
What I see today is a number of WR's with Lee's ability, they just don't have the QB or play in the offense where they get 20 passes a game
Lee is great, but a hands down best player in america ? please man
There are very few who earn that title for me, Warrick, Bush, Harvin... Tebow and Young
Lee is great, but he isn't on these guys levels where its just obvious
I think you have not watched him enough. Lee is as elite as any of those guys. Harvin and Bush of course were better out of the backfield, but neither are as good outside.
I have seen Harvin, Warrick and Bush do ten times the amount of amazing shit Lee has done
Not at that age, but Lee isn't there yet so maybe next year and the year after he comes into this kind of player
Right now he isn't, you clearly haven't watched others enough
Lot of great football players out there, saying Lee is hands down the most impressive is something I can't do at the moment
The fact a USCw fan can doesn't surprise me at all... and knowing its you, the guy that ITT tried to say Toledo was an impressive win...... the guy who had UCLA and Arizona ranked in his polls, UCLA as high as 5 at one point lol.... well Im going to have to just disregard your opinion on the matter
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