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The sec self imposed a 25 signing limit on their conference two years ago . So my question what happened to this rule?
Like with any rule in sports, people found a way around it.
You are probaly correct but I heard Tom Luginbill last year I think on Finebaum talking about this rule he said the sec could go over 25 last year if they were under 25 the year before to total 50 for the two years but this year they wouldn't be able to go over 25 . Is it still a rule or did they get change it . The reason for the rule the sec was getting alot of bad press fom the national media for over signing .
Well somebody needs to tell Georgia they have 30 now Texas am has 34 !
... and they therefore count as members of the previous year's class.
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So that means that people have found a way around it. Or, more to the point, the SEC adopted a rule that looks good in print, but it has no teeth.
Lol...there's a way around every rule.
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Sure it is. The NCAA already had a limit of 25 per class. They've had it for decades. The new NCAA rule (28 signing limit) and the new SEC rule (25 signing limit) were supposed to somehow cap the number of players you could sign to curb oversigning. If they don't do that, what exactly do they do? You didn't need a new rule to limit classes to 25 but allow EEs to be backdated to the previous class if it was under 25. That rule already existed. What does the new rule do? How does it work?
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So you sign 20 last year. That means we can sign 30 this year right? And of those 30, 5 count to last year's class. That means next year I can only take 25 right?
I think the big question comes from what we do with those that don't qualify academically. If 7 don't qualify of the class that has 30, how many can I sign next year? Still only 25, or do I get to sign 32 because 7 didn't qualify academically? I would assume 32 because you can't punish a team for people not qualifying.
To someone on the outside, you've just signed a class of 30, followed by a class of 32 even though the rule says you can only take 50 over two consecutive years.
If you only bring in 20 in the fall, you can bring in 5 mid-term and bring in the full 25 the following fall. So while the guys are the same age, January enrollees can complete the fall class of '12. In other words, they're not signing in Feb, they're enrolling in Jan. The beauty of this is when kids get arrested, take up Buddism, or don't qualify, you can back fill to account for it. However, you cannot back count if you bring in a full 25 scholarchips the previous class.
Except that rule was already on the books. The 85 total and 25 per class caps have been in place for decades. So has the rule allowing EEs to be credited to the previous class so long as it doesn't exceed 25. What does the new rule do? Apparently nothing has changed.
Yes that's right
Oversigning.com could predict to the player the number of players that would leave Alabama between NSD and August. Everyone leaves for different reasons, but it would always magically be just enough to fit within the 85 player limit. Alabama had 21 players leave between Feb to August over a 2-year period. Penn State had 2 players leave over the same time period.
That's the problem. If you can increase the number of players you can sign simply by kicking existing players off the team, the new limits on signing are worthless. They haven't changed anytiing.
Took a look at aTm and noticed they have 34 commits. I guess they can do that because they had 19 the year before and will be counting a bunch of EE's to the previous year. That still puts them 3 over, or is there another caveat I'm missing?
How is that any different than before the new oversigning rules? That's exactly how it used to work before. Nothing has changed.
with that equation you would have only signed 23.
the 25/85 rule is a very basic math formula but most peeps fail to understand that it is based on the calender year, Jan thru Dec
I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm saying the new rules didn't change anything. If they did, please tell me what?
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old rule / new rule , what part of 25/85 baffles you ?
Please, explain how the new rules changed how many players a team can sign? If they actually changed something, you should be able to do that, right?
The only players I'm aware of that we've ever just kicked off the team were disciplinary. Further, a lot of them were contributors. It's pretty rare to see one of our guys that didn't pan out leave unless there is a discipline problem or desire on the part of the kid to go somewhere he can start. We have a lot of guys in the system for 3-4 years that barely see the field. If we were just making room, wouldn't we just dump them?
We also get a lot of tranfers because guys want to come in and treat it like high school and, while they have the talent, they don't earn playing time. Brandon Moore at Texas and Darrington Sentimore at Tennessee are 2 examples of guys who were already contributors, but would have been starters with the right effort. Sentimore was an attitude problem, and wanted to leave anyway. Moore, I think, just wanted something other than Alabama, but I don't really know his story. We had a 5* Left Tackle that didn't pan out named Tyler Love. He gave up his last year of eligibility voluntarily to pursue med school or some such thing, and had lost the desire to play.
My point is, the program shouldn't suffer because of these types of attrition. So, when 8 guys leave and 20 graduate, why not sign 28 and back count 3? I'm pretty sure there are no meetings where Saban says, "You suck, but we appreciate your efforts anyway. I hear directional U needs a longsnapper...bye."
First let me say that I don't think its cheating but I do believe it is a competitive advantage that certain teams have used more than others. from 2002 - 2010 ND signed an average of 20 players a year over that same time span AU signed over 28. Having an average of 8 more kids in a class would be like giving the Pats an extra 3rd 4th and 5th round pick in the draft.
The rule has never realy been how many LOI's can be signed in Feb, it's how many you can bring in in the fall. The SEC changed the rule so that you can only accept 25 LOI's in Feb, so that you didn't keep getting Ole Miss w/ 38 dumbass commits to see which 25 qualified.
So...Feb LOI max - 25. Period.
January enrollees can back count to last year, IF and only IF, you didn't bring in 25 scholarship players in the previous class. January comes before February, and LOI's are not necessary for enrolled students.
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