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Pretty sure it is just one guy claiming the sex ring thing
They are. But the point is, there are more victims who are coming forward. And hesitantly/understandably so. This is not an easy subject. Even what we know, right now, do you really think they were the only ones? Yes, I am speculating. However, history repeats itself on these kinds of situations. When someone commits this type of crime, it is not their first time. They became good at it. We are finding this out now, through investigation, and suspicious "cover-ups." There are people whom are being rightfully punished by the court system. However, there are some that have already are some (passed-on and living) that are being brought into allegations. This is a very complicated, and diverse crime. Most people see this as a very bad cover up. Of course, not quite proven, but in some ways yes. It is easy to see how this is continuing, but more people coming forward and naming names, and listing details. I have an issue of PSU fans, and anyone, kind of brushing this off. And it does appear that PSU fans are trying to brush it off. This is what the rest of the public is very pissed about. Hence why some people have a chip on their shoulders about this stuff.
I thought I heard of a few others, but I may be wrong.
But yes, let's just dismiss all of it because 1 person in this situation is claiming about the sex ring. Everyone else dismissed this the other evidence for years, let's continue with this.
Exactly why this happened.
We haven't brushed anything off. The media is the one who should be blamed for making this more about PSU football than the victims. I still don't see why you think we should have been punished by the NCAA though? This was a terrible crime and I am 100% for everyone who was involved being punished and that is happening through the judicial system. The NCAA decided to punish the school too when 99.99% of the people associated with the school did nothing wrong.
I'm not dismissing anything, I'm just saying you can't talk about that situation like its fact when there is NO evidence to support it. All we have is one guy claiming there was a ring, not one other person or piece of evidence has come out.
I get that, but you are acting like you are the only ones who have ever been punished for something that didn't affect everyone! Every single punishment, works on everyone.
Whom can you trust? How far can you go? This was a football coach, who still used all the faculties, who knew what kind of influence he had. Was it unfair? YES. Is it justified? YES. Too much shit happened to innocent children that was proven to be covered up for YEARS. We do not know that 100% of the people are being punished right now. That is part of the issue. It wasn't realized how bad it was, and then was discovered to be been covered up by some high up people, including the football program.
You cannot say 99.9% of the people in this are clean. No one at first thought such a big person of the school/role model could do this. That is the point in it. It is crap, that they current program suffers. I do not disagree. But, sometimes you just have to clean house and throw everyone under.
The public is saying it is worth it, because how much, and how long this shit has been hidden/dismissed.
You don't know all the evidence, nor do I. We have some people coming forward, whom have made a case, and people are taking seriously.
I'd rather someone report a 1 "false allegation" than anything more than 1 true one.
I could talk for hours about this, but you are set in your ways and me responding isn't going to change your mind. I respect you opinion and lets just agree to disagree.
It is late. I've got to work in a few hours.
Just trying to show you how most other people think outside the "PSU fanbase"
Most everyone agrees the current students are getting unfairly punished, but understand why it's happening, and why it's better than nothing. Shitty, but possibly necessary.
Did you see the hold on that play? Of course you didn't you moron. Mauti was held badly. You don't think there was a hold, you don't have a clue about football./
OSU won, but did you realize Mauti had 13 tackles to Shazier's 7?
Shazier isn't better. He led the nation in whiffed tackles. He wasn't consistent throughout the season and he didn't possess any leadership qualities.
Shazier's pick six was something my 10-year old son could have made. Please don't make that out to be an outstanding play that he made. McGloin threw it right to him.
Devidee is an idiot when it comes to these things. He would think Braxton Miller is better than RG3.
You mean that excellent pancake block that the ref standing right in front of him didn't think was a penalty (but many of your "The Big Ten is out to get us" conspiracy theorists will blame the ref for being dirty). How about that sack that Shazier had on old McLovin right before the pick 6? Dude closed on him in microseconds. Quite the big time play.
So you're saying that Mauti had 13 tackles in that game compared to Shazier's 7? Well I thought you guys didn't like stats for making the argument. Glad to see you've come around. Well, if it's stats you like, here's a few for you:
On the season, Ryan Shazier had 21 more solo tackles than Mauti.
Ryan Shazier had 17 TFLs and 5 sacks. Coaches' 1st teamers Michael Mauti and Max Bullough combined for 16 TFLs and 5 sacks
Credit goes to TJMMBuckeyes from a thread discussing this issue on the P.s.U. site. I'll take Shazier and his superior speed/hitting ability every day of the week.
Numbnut's argument is only stat based, not consistency based. Shazier whiffed on many tackles throughout the year and any sane Buckeye knows that. He wasn't dominant the entire year.
So, I guess, by dipshit's argument - he would take Colt Brennan over Andrew Luck as QB because he had better stats.
If you look into it - Hankins should be HM in the Big 10, if you go by stats.
Hill was better; Replogle was better; Akeem Spence was better and I haven't checked every other school, but I'm sure I can find one or two more that all had better numbers than Hankins.
I'm pointing out he had better stats you idiot in that game - using your argument and throwing it back in your face. So ...
Mauti didn't play the last seven quarters. I'm sure he would have gotten some tackles during that time and would have surpassed Shazier. If you don't think he could have gotten 21 in that, you have a major problem.
But he didn't.
So now it's the conditional statement/what-if/"if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass" argument style. You guys are hard to keep up with what with the constantly varying argument styles. Then again, I guess the best way to avoid being shot is to keep moving around and not be a stationary target. By the way, Mauti had more tackles in that game. Absolutely. However, who had more game changing plays that would ultimately effect the outcome? Oh yeah, Ryan Shazier.
And he still got the award. LOL!
Why was it necessary? Serious question. The point of punishment is to prevent what happened from happening again. You really think the number one thing on spanier Curley and Schultz' mind right now is the sanctions? No they are worried about court, which they should be. All the sanctions did was whip the proverbial fallen horse.
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Wrong... there are 4 aspects of punishment.
#1-Retribution: making the person/group/university to pay for their misdeeds
#2-Deterrence: making sure others that see this crime understand what will happen to them if they perform the crime
#3-Rehabilitation: helping the criminal or criminal institutions to stop and learn
#4-Societal Protection: keeping the criminals away from the rest of us
Any # of these (1 or all 4) can be present as a means for punishment.
The sanctions apply to #'s 1, 2 & 3. So yes, the sanctions were needed and necessary.
Their only defense is urine bags hurled at our band....Classless fan base. Totally.. It infuriates me to know that they would turn their backs again...
_ichigan Football would be Minnesota without The Great State of Ohio!! O-H! I-O!
Oh settle down, "we" didn't turn our backs on anyone. The people who did are getting theirs.
Bunch of babies ITT.
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