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To the first question, yes. To the second question, don't get me started.
Ok now i see i definitely over reacted and you were not talking about me.
Anyways....THAT^^ is exactly what I was thinking.
This post was edited by James Moriarty 23 months ago
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This is an incredibly stupid move on the part of these few trustees. If an official appeal is received, I expect an immediate death penalty for violation of the consent decree. If they try to get an injunction, whether they are successful or not, the next move on the NCAA's part is to remove them as a member school. Then what the hell are they going to do? In a few years we are all going to be sitting around saying, "Hey, remember when Penn State had an NCAA D1 football program."
It feels like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. Once you start down this path, it's gonna be hard to hit the brakes. PSU football may have played their last game if someone doesn't get their head on straight in State College.
"Tonight, my butt's sore." - Mike Krzyzewski 11-29-11
If they put on an instant death penalty they actually open themselves up to an appeal. If they stay put and let the legal system just squash the appeal, they don't have to put it up to chance and let the infractions committee deal with it. The NCAA would be smarter to sit on this and let the courts deny the appeal, which is what will most likely happen.
Hell, the special deal was negotiated behind closed doors so that a long protracted battle didn't occur. Penn State just keeps getting dragged through the mud, the NCAA looks progressively more powerless, and nobody wins. These trustees are idiotic - the best solution for both parties was to negotiate quickly, cleanly, and move on. Instead, these few trustees are going to make the NCAA vindictive - not to mention the PR disaster that this will turn into. Contrary to popular belief, PSU can actually sink lower in the eyes of the general public, and they're well on their way to rock bottom with this move.
I hope they get the DP now.
Sadly, the problems in Nebraska are in the coaching offices and the fans that sit in the seats and defend them.
I kind of agree with you on this and have made that point in several threads.
I do think something needed to be done but don't like the precident that is being set unless it is set in stone as to where the NCAA can step in.
I am just really, really glad the whole bashing all Penn State fans as if they all supported the heinous actions has subsided. That is what pissed me off the most.
Like you didn't before...
Your first post on the sanctions on your board after the sanctions was "Agreed. Weak penalty."
What I get from this is that Penn St. officials didn't feel like the NCAA punished them enough.
Keep digging that grave that leads to complete, and utter ruination.
And I shall rejoice in victory for another 365 days over That School Up North.
Let's not get carried away here. It's 4 trustees out of nearly 40.
I don't see how the courts would allow 4 trustees to represent the university when the President and the rest of the BOT are not on board.
Honestly, Penn St just needs to STFU and take it.
Yes it sucks and it will hurt their program short term. But in the long term their fan support and popularity in Pennsylvania will allow them to come back.
They may have a few 3, 4, or 5 win seasons but it isn't the end of the world. Many teams go through that every season. In my lifetime I have seen my school go 1-10 and 0-11 in back to back years, so its a little hard for me to sit here and feel bad for Penn St.
Honestly do most Penn state guys feel like you or do they think this is a good idea?
That is hard to gauge. I think most think that the NCAA overstepped their boundaries and are simply mad as hell right now, so any fight of sanctions is looked at favorably. I agree with shav... I think we just need to serve our punishment and move on. Delaying things and pissing off the NCAA is not going to work out for us in the end.
They are following their god, the Paterno family.
Most want to fight however possible. I don't think that's unique to Penn Stater's. I think if anyone were in this situation, most of the fans for the team would want to fight it, even though many people on here would probably try to tell me I'm wrong about that.
You want to fight the sanctions your university agreed to...obviously
so let's say these few morons on the BOT get their appeal denied by whichever court that handles these things. PSU then somehow commits a minor secondary violation (who doesn't, given how big the rulebook is), does the NCAA lay down the DP hammer and wipe the school from the face of the earth?
Didn't the consent decree state that it was only valid if PSU did not file any appeals. Can these dolts be seen as breaking that agreement and the NCAA revisiting the penalties. Or will they be seen as private citizens and ignored. Plan "A" from what I have read was much worse than what they got.
I don't want to fight them. The people who do believe the university is run by idiots and want to fight everything. I don't think it's a terribly crazy reaction. People are just really angry with so many different actors, that they want to fight everything. Oh well. While I think the leadership has made many missteps, I also think fighting them at this point is another misstep.
I doubt it. There was no precedent for what happened at PSU. There is plenty of precedent for secondary violations procedure. If something like that happened, PSU better fight, and they would win that one.
I dont blame some trustees and PSU fans in general being pissed off and wanting to fight the NCAA, but it is an emotional, rash decision. Extremely unwise. The only chance PSU had to fight the NCAA was to take a huge PR hit by thumbing their nose at the NCAA at any sanction, as a unified block. The fact that the President, the Big 10, and most of the trustees swallowed the Freeh report in one gulp, a small band of trustess backed up by a rowdy bunch of PSU fans will not only make PSU look worse but will certainly lead the NCAA to believe the punishment was not harsh enough. There are times when the proper move is to poke the bear, this instance is the textbook case of when NOT to do so.
I agree for the most part. But what's with this "will lead the NCAA to believe the punishment was not harsh enough" stuff people keep saying? They just handed down the biggest sanctions they have ever given. I think the only reason the people that are appealing are doing so is because the sanctions were so harsh. If they weren't harsh enough I think the BOT would be sitting back smiling to themselves saying, "Haha suckers. We got off easy" and just living with them. Ex. If PSU got a 1 year bowl ban, 30 lost scholly's over 3 years and pay a fine I think the whole PSU administraion would be perfectly ok with that (that would show that it wasn't enough). But fighting shows the opposite obviously. It has throughout history. That's the way human instincts work, you fight if you are dealt an injustice.
This is a potential scary move and I'm really worried about the possible outcome. But I would think that the rest of college FB would be cheering for PSU to win due to the extremely dangerous precedent that Emmert set in this case. You may want PSU to die here, but it's only a matter of time before the power he gave himself effects your program in some way.
PSU does deserve to get hit, but I certainly dont like all the shortcuts taken. Way too much power to the NCAA. The day is coming when we have 4 super conferences and can break away from teh NCAA altogether. I hate em for the most part. But the NCAA is dead set on sticking it to PSU and the initial desire was th whack PSU with a 4 year DP. If enough pressure is placed on teh NCAA by PSU trustees due to the one off nature of how the sanctions were arrived at and handed down......do you think if the NCAA retracts and launches its own investigation the results would be lighter than what PSU already got? I think the starting point before the NCAA lifts a finger in that scenario is 4 year DP.
There is a reason PSU took this deal. It isnt because PSU wants to shoot itself in the foot. It was for self preservation. The NCAA has the goods on PSU to kill the program forever if it wants to. DONT POKE THE BEAR
edit: retracted due to stupidity
This post was edited by chasfcd11 23 months ago
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