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i am with you. i hope they fine the hell out of owner, it is people like him that what to do away with minimum wage and have people working for 2 $ a day. hey stache did he build them a company store and housing too!
You're a moron an have zero knowledge of the subject, much less their payscale or what the owner believes. That's obvious because apparently you can't read.
This post was edited by DrStache 20 months ago
You obviously missed the point
If you want to be here then do it the right way. If not, then, no pun intended, Adios....
So illegals are okay with you? This is how we should handle it, by letting business's pay them less than anyone else, work them more hours, and they cant complain or do anything about it because they are here illegally?
The owner of that factory should go to jail, and for a LONG time.
Idiotic statement. This company pays them a fair wage for what they do. There's many companies that pay decent money to illegals, especially ones that have been there 2-3 years. They also pay overtime rates. The owner doesn't deserve to go to jail. That's why he's never been in trouble in 20 years of business with using immigrants. He has to feel out an I-9 form on each one of them and does. He is completely above board and hides nothing. He has nothing to be ashamed about. Here's another problem. These men's kids are legal citizens because they're born here. So they by law have to leave or parent here. Guess who that is. The mother. Guess who then provides for those families? American taxpayers because the government has forced the bread winner home. Some of you have such a black and white attitude towards everything and are either too young or stupid to see the bigger picture. It costs American taxpayers more to deport them than let them stay and continue working to provide for their children who are citizens.. We have immigration problems but INS needs to use common sense and judgement. It's not hard to find who's here causing continuous problems and the ones trying to make a life. It's pathetic the bubble that surrounds most on this board. It's like you really believe all business owners are evil people and don't care about their workforce.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by DrStache 20 months ago
You must have grown up in privileged and with an extremely poor sense reality and history.
In your train wreck of thought, our country would have never been founded.
We are the result of the outcasts, people no one wanted.
And yet we are replicating Europe's mistakes and many levels and not learning from the past.
Amen. It's as if people believe Americans and Americans only built this land. LOL. We stole this shit from Indians. We brought slaves over to build it. We brought Irish immigrants over here to help continue the process and by default our ancestors got citizenship. Some of these people don't have any depth outside their own Livingroom.
How do you know he us paying them less? I have worked in the past with legal and illegal immigrants. They were paid $10-15/hour for skilled manual labor. From my experience they were good , family people. The best thing they bring to America is their strong culture. I'm not saying we should give them a free pass, but the reality is they are here to work and we should find a way to accommodate that. I believe in a free market economy and I believe they fit a labor need we have so, I'm cool with them here. As far as uneducated labor goes, nobody does it better. JMO
Agree, as long as they are paying taxes and not breaking any laws, other than being illegal, they are good for our society. As a conservative, I feel many tradition conservatives miss the mark on this one. There has to be a reasonable way to have people who want to work here, here
Yeah, um fail again, try again
100% agree and as you said earlier...many companies pay them well for whatever skill set is required but you have some people that think business owners are evil no matter what. Ignorance is bliss.
Says the guy who supports illegal immigration and thus in essence supports this very thing.
We could end welfare and you would be amazed how many citizens would apply for those jobs at minimum wage.
But we won't and never will. At some point we have to stop thinking perfect world and start thinking reality. Your scenario will never be reality. I agree In principle but it won't. And again....we are citizens by luck of the draw. Not some god given right.
3 time POTW, member since 2006, MLWTI: 4-3
Me being liberal =/= me supporting illegal immigration, but hey, you're welcome to think what you'd like.
I agree with what you're saying in principal, but you have ignored the fact that shouldn't even be here. They are illegal and your friend harbored and employed illegal immigrants. I think they should shut down whatever his business is and he should be facing a large fine & jail time.
I just don't get the "smug" they shouldn't be here stuff. ( not you personally so please take no offense)
This land was built by immigrants hands. Our ancestors are illegal immigrants. As a human being, not just an American, can you not see that? We are all inhabitants of a planet. Billions weren't lucky enough to be born here. These people didn't asked to be born. They just were. Why is another human not entitled to a wonderful life that other countries cant provide because they weren't born in the land of opportunity? These idiotic immigration laws need to be re-written to make sense. I'd rather live in a County full of immigrant workers than fat Americans with there hand out but the government. Won't change that so it's not a realistic possibility. What is a real possibility is rewriting laws that say I you work, pay taxes, you can stay and contribute to society. I just think saying, "Well you weren't born here so tough shit" is a little inhumane and sadistic, IMO.
Please know that I'm not singling you out, just my thoughts in general on how we can become a better people overall.
And again, the owner didn't break any laws. He's not dumb. he filed the required paperwork. Thats as far as his obligation carries. These so-called criminal immigrants did. By being here and working because of laws that make no sense.
Why weren't they documented? Why are u okay with them breaking our laws but not okay with other people breaking laws?
Get a clue. Really sucks for them but if they want to be here they should respect our laws! We have them for a reason. Its really not hard to get a work visa. Like at all.
If it sucks so bad, why did they sneak under fences to do it?
The men who wrote those laws were a hell of a lot smarter than you. They make sense to people who have common sense. It is obvious you do not think of the big picture. Just me me me. Sad if u ask me..
Nevamind. Not worth it.
This post was edited by LaBornNRaised 20 months ago
I know that your intentions are good but you apparently have never had your living threatened by underbidding, have you? I honestly have mixed emotions regarding illegal immigrants. I believe that if you earn a living and can contribute to the economy you should be welcomed with open arms. Unfortunately not every illegal immigrant does this. I truly feel for those poor people that paid taxes and were honest working families but again not every illegal immigrant does this. I live in Georgia and as a business owner who competes against illegals have a much different view of the situation. When the economy was good.... no problem. There was room for us all. As the economy has suffered... I am constantly underbid by illegal immigrants who do not have to pay taxes and hire illegals who work for nothing. It has really effected my business and put a huge cramp on my living. Just my experience.
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