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OK. I'm one of the few that am not afraid to admit to being a Democrat.
I am also not a Obama fan, but I won't apologize for him either as I voted for him in 2008...not in 2012...and do think that we would be no better off with McCain and/or Romney.
I respect McCain and think he has done a great job as a Senator. Romney...not so much. McCain had been in DC too long to be President, IMO. Anyone in DC as long as him (or John Kerry) sends off flares to me.
I think history will eventually be very favorable to GW Bush as well.....even more so than his dad.
Clinton was a good President. W was well on his way to continuing and improving on the prosperity in the country until 9/11 was dropped in his lap.
Some blame Clinton...some Bush for 9/11. Remember, most of the blame goes to the terrorists. Then there is blame that can be shared by everyone since Nixon.
A reaction from the West following Munich in 1972, could have gone a long way, IMO to setting a precedence. Was the end of Communism worth the lawlessness that became of the Middle East? Maybe...maybe not. Hard to say for sure now with what we know of the USSR now and how helpless they really were. By doing so, we helped build the infrastructure of what we are fighting now. GHW Bush should have probably finished the job in 1990/91 and things could have been different. Who knows? Clinton definitely had numerous chances to send a message and failed, IMO. Of course, he had a lot of successes in other areas, not counting the ladies. W made 2 mistakes, IMO. He based a war off something he couldn't prove...although it was probably true and "No child left behind." In all honesty, even as a Democrat there isn't much else I fault him for. I would have still been behind the war if WMDs would have been left out.
I guess I am trying to say everyone has screwed up so it is hard to assume someone else would have done better. Personally, I think our House and Senate....along with the Judicial branch has failed us more than any single office. I think instead of voting people into Washington, we should really vote people out and get rid of as many incumbents as possible each election and see if we can get actual reform in this country. We need to be fighting Washington, IMO as a whole.
Agreed. I feel like this country is pretty much already broken and no politically correct politician is going to be able to fix it. Since all politicians are politically correct, we're screwed. It just about who sucks a little bit less.
Seems to me that nobody in Congress has a clue about reality--i.e. regular people's lives.
This post was edited by UMWolverines 10 months ago
Until regular people start paying them, they won't care what regular people want.
Moving to North Carolina has made me dislike the dems. They've been in charge of this state for the last 100 years(until recently) and everything you can imagine has a fvcking tax. They tax so much shvt so they can fund programs to help keep themselves in office. Well that finally failed and now the repubs have the state. They're trying to reduce taxes and the state funded hand out programs. Now everyday "democrats" are protesting downtown instead of working (imagine that)
No I did not lose a sig bet, but I am really really really ridiculously good looking.
I like his answer better......so, this
The biggest changes that need to happen are severe limitations on lobbiests in this country.
no crap dood. The dems bought votes for years, now if you try to wean them off they just protest because they're losing the free stuff they get. Someone can find the happy medium, use tax money to take care of the ones who really need it. But giving too much or giving too little isn't the answer.
Appreciate your honesty. Seems like a good civil thread.
I'm mid 40's. raised conservative. Respect that viewpoint (add kicking in so bear with me). In the 70's it seemed like the two parties were a little more closer in ideology. Te divide since the 2000 election is troublesome. Democrats in large cities and on the coast. Conservatives in 'fly over' country.
I want to keep it simple...raised upper middle class, dad was a depression baby okie, still working at 78. Wants to, doesn't need to, has a few jobs.
One thing he did teach me was to always show up at least 15 minutes early...work and hard work has always been a value to me...work hard play hard.
Here's kind of my one big beef with our country/ government. The governments responsibility is not to take care of the physical needs of its people. We were created to work and work is good. We were created in the image of God, and God worked (nut shell religious view for the dignity of work)
When we create a welfare state in which we are providing supposed long term physical needs to the people it robs them of their God given ability and desire to do that which they were created to do...work. What we have now is multi generational poverty. I don't necessarily blame the welfare recipients for the most part. They are living in the only situation they know. Solution to the problem is and would be painful.
I would paint myself as a compassionate conservative. I believe that the best relief and social justice and aid work comes from the private sector...religious groups and local civic groups etc..
Gotta eat, chicken burning...side note...our government is designed basically to promote grid lock.
Hard to express my views on an iPad...not thrilled with the last batch of presidential candidates.
God made a farmer..
They don't represent themselves or the people.
They represent corporations and big businesses.
My mother is a lobbyist (for a nonprofit that protects water quality here in florida) and the mining companies and farming companies run everything.
When politics became a career, we were all screwed.
Need really, really short term limits or it will never end.
In a one and done, you might get more drive to fix our problems and people who may not give in to the lobbyists because they don't care if they piss them off.
This post was edited by MichRedWingFan7 10 months ago
I'm sorry, but this is such an ignorant, condescending load of bullshit. Do you know where most of the entitlement spending in this country goes? The disabled, the elderly, and the working poor.
You're talking about the glory of the private sector? The private sector fosters business practices like Walmart paying its employees so little that they have to turn to welfare aid just to survive. Have you ever had to skip meals because your family couldn't afford to put food on the table? Clearly not. Welfare is far from simply a debilitating crutch that is handed out willy-nilly to anyone with a pulse. Due to conditions in the private sector, it's the only way many families feed their children.
Face it, both government and the private sector have major flaws (just like the Republican Party and the Democratic Party have major flaws) and adopting a simplified, white-washed worldview isn't helping anyone. I'm glad you had a comfortable upbringing, that's great for you, but before you start lecturing on how aid turns people into lazy, useless beings, try to understand that most people don't get to enjoy the headstart in life you had.
The trouble is, when it comes to the private sector, words like "transparency" and "ethics" aren't looked upon all that favorably by a lot of people. Business is business and profit is profit being the mantra.
i'm not into politics so you lost me. . But i have a problem with everything having a tax. My income gets taxed, then say i go buy a vehicle and pay the sales tax then i go to the tag office to get a license plate and i have to pay tax on the value of my car again! It's nuts. Then if you live in a city you get charged city tax, but what does that get you? nothing! Because you still have to pay $20 a month for garbage service and you have to buy power from the city and all that is-is the city buys power and tacks on 10% and sells it to the customer. It's fraud in this state. BTW you also have to pay tax on the value of your vehicle every year when you renew your tag.
This post was edited by Forrest Gump 10 months ago
Which is why I don't trust the private sector at all with essential human services. I recognize that one of the primary hangups in the healthcare debate is whether an individual believes that universal access to healthcare is a hallmark of a civilized society, but damn, can you imagine if fire departments or police departments were privatized?
I wrote a Directors & Officers Insurance policy that ended up being sued by the shareholders for keeping jobs in the US. The shareholders argued they would have made more money if they outsourced the jobs and won.
Keeping jobs at home sounds great, right up until people realize what it costs to pay an American worker.
I do live outside the city limits, i was just giving an example of what it would be like if you lived in the limits. Outside the city limts its .62 %, inside its about 1%. In fla i didn't have state income tax or the yearly vehicle tax. It's crap.
We need more tariffs and/or better tax breaks for keeping American jobs.
Right now, there seems to be more tax breaks for shipping work overseas which makes no sense.
I mean, it makes perfect sense when you consider that the people writing the rules are the ones receiving massive "campaign donations" from the same entities looking to ship jobs overseas.
Not a county income tax, but a state income tax. this is was the property taxes "Outside the city limts its .62 %, inside its about 1%". As far as the tag goes you pay for the tag(about $40) pay for the yearly inspection($30) and then pay a tax yearly on the value of the vehicle. I'm not sure what percent that is.
I think a massive tax break for manufacturing companies here could go a long way. This country was born on manufacturing jobs. A lot of the countries we trade with with give us massive tariffs so why not return the favor.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MichRedWingFan7 10 months ago
The big question mark in regards to manufacturing is: What happens when it's cheaper, even cheaper than outsourcing, to simply use robotics to replace all assembly line work?
So it will never change then.
Still need people to set the programming and repair the robots at this time.
If it gets to where the robots do it all themselves, then what is the point of outsourcing at all.
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