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I guess its standard if you're used to it, but in florida i had no state tax, no gas tax or highway tax and no vehicle inspection.
No I did not lose a sig bet, but I am really really really ridiculously good looking.
Crude comparison, but its really no different than a dog. If you give it enough to survive and don't stimulate it with work, it will crap all over house and tear up your stuff.
The point was, the demand for actual numbers of people will go way, way down. Think about a newsroom during a broad cast. You used to have a handful of camera guys, mic guys, lighting guys, a few project managers, and the head guy in the booth. Now there are some stations where ONE GUY can do all of that work thanks to computers and robotics. Once robotics replace the human workforce in the assembly line format, the kinds of people you'll need on staff will be engineers, computer scientists, and mechanics. The people working on the lines now, well some might fit those descriptions, but a lot won't and will either need more education or another outlet in which to make a living. It's simply a numbers game.
I'm not sure if you're looking at something different than i am but this says it's $27.8 c/g for florida and $37.5 c/g for NC. This state taxing me on gas too (heard someone bitching about this the other day because of how much cheaper SC gas is)
If it gets to that point, the whole world economy will be screwed as well. At least we will be able to cut our military spending enough to cover all the assistance needed if robots can do their jobs too.
If it ever gets that bad we're pretty much screwed.
i agree with what you said...broad brush ipad statement on my part.
there are problems with both sides in terms of the solution. everyday in my job (medical) i see welfare fraud (black and white). people abusing 'disability and medicare. Ive seen good non government systems ( i was involved in one for years) in which the 'rich' for lack of a better term mentored and educated the poor to the point that they paid for their college education etc and provided a better opportunity. success imho isn't measured by wealth per say, it's using your gifts and abilities (through work)
the welfare system makes it somewhat non beneficial to work your way out of it.
what ive noticed is writing a check and throwing it at a situation is less beneficial than when individuals commit and take ownership of a small portion of their world...one person at a time.
I don't think it's an if but a when. Wasn't it Staples that installed robots into their warehouses to do sorting and organizing but had to tune them down to like 10% efficiency because people were getting injured on the floor, even at that setting. They then got rid of everyone from the stockroom area, only had people located at points to receive products from the robots and/or input information to retrieve them or other tasks like that, and then cranked the machines up to 100%. They were allowed to move around the floor at like 45mph and increased efficiency some ridiculous amount. Robotics are the future of the vast majority of manufacturing. Things like Rolls Royce and the like will still be around because sometimes we WANT things that are hand crafted, but that's a luxury automobile, not a BIC pen or my cell phone or... you get the idea.
So how much Military budget can we free up?
head start? explain? worked thru high school, college, while playing varsity sports.
might want to work on interpretation skills.
why the anger? i had to live in ann arbor 7 years, i guess i know why.
Personally, I view the future of the military as a lot of drone surveillance and operations conducted by small but much more efficient tactical units like Delta, DEVGRU, etc.
I agree. The military spending cuts would be such a HUGE figure.
Edit: Granted income would be down everywhere (in the world) for countries to tax.
Hopefully it will force us into a consumption tax instead of income tax.
If robots take over, more people would be turning to illegal trades to make money.
Don't tax the check, tax the spending. That way everyone who spends cash to buy stuff is taxed even if they made their money illegaly. You cannot stop it, so why not tax it?
This post was edited by MichRedWingFan7 10 months ago
You were raised upper middle class. That, in itself, is a head start.
The anger is because you're speaking from the same ignorant perspective of so many others who have never been poor and never truly struggled to survive.
Like I said before, the vast majority of aid goes to the elderly, the disabled, and the working poor. Do you think those working poor suddenly stop working as soon as they get any sort of aid? Of course not! The aid is often the only thing that allows them to put food on the table after their meager paycheck is eaten up by every expense related to keeping a roof over their heads.
On top of that, you have the balls to try to use a Christian justification for your ignorant views about aid to the poor. Funny, I don't remember that part of the Bible that said "Screw the poor, they don't need any help."
He said also to the one who had invited him, "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."
In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”
Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.
So, in answer to your question, the anger is because you a) have no idea what aid does, who it affects, and how it affects them, and b) are using the same selective, self-serving bullshit religious justification for your ignorant views that I see all over tBB.
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Probably could slash about 80% of it right now, but that will never happen.
It's also going to bring about the dawn of a new surge in service related jobs.
Cut 75% of it and we'd still spend more on the military than any other country in the world.
Not to mention something like 24 of the 25 next highest spenders are our allies.
The anger, malice, and false judgment that you spew is laughable. Contrary to the scripture that probably took you 5 hours to find.
I guess you missed the part of scripture that says if a man doesn't work, a man shouldn't eat.
I'm not saying stop aid to the poor...got it...my beef is with the multi generational poverty in which the welfare system has produced the last 50 years. It hasn't worked.
Your use of scripture is good and true...your conclusion that rich people oppress the poor by being rich is laughable and plain ignorant.
First. I'm not wealthy, never have been. I probably mis spoke saying upper middle class
Second your use of foul language all over this thread to a complete stranger shows the depravity of your soul. Eph 4:29
Third. You have zero clue how many relief trips, current localized inner city projects and monies donated to 'the poor'.
So me having a job, paying taxes, currently living in a mixed neighborhood, donating time and money to the poor is oppressing them?
Would your solution be to quit work and join them?
So every rich person (of which I'm not) suppresses the poor? That appears what you're trying to prove
I think you had your milk money stolen on a daily basis, and still do.
On my way to work...gotta give away my money
Lawyers should not be politicians. Many of the problems we see day in and day out stem from lawyers manipulating law. We all lose when lawyers are writing laws only to be comprehended and manipulated by other lawyers. We need black and white laws. The less grey area the better.
I agree with the lobbyists portion, well at least lobbyists that represent big corporations or the uber rich.
In addition to term limits, the most important reform would be eliminating the current tax code and replacing it with a simpler uniform code. The tax code is where the politicians "pay back" the the backers of the lobbyists that helped them get/stay there. Group donates X dollars to get Congressman John Doe elected. Group's lobbyist then reminds Sen Doe of this and asks for a small tax rider amendment to be added to the next bill. This little rider gives said group some tax benefit/competitive advantage. This is how we have over 72k pages in the IRS tax code.
Option 1 - Flat Tax. Individuals can deduct income up to poverty level (federal). They pay X % on every dollar above that. There are no other deductions, period. Corporations pay the same % on net revenue. No more tax exempt status for any group, religious, charitable or otherwise.
Option 2 - get rid of all income tax at the federal level and replace it with a consumption tax like "the fair tax." It provides a "pre-bate" to all families so taxes are not paid up to poverty level spending, but all new goods and services are taxed the same.
The key to both of these is that everything is treated the same. By not providing special exceptions, lawmakers can't "hide" repayment in another exception. You would still have lobbyists but, their influence would be more than cut in half. This combined with term limits would do a lot to cleaning up DC.
If we are going to be dreamers let's get back to the days of state sovereignty so people can "vote with their feet." The federal government is too large and still exponentially growing. We are all screwed anyway. Global over population is a real thing.
Very true. People vote along party lines. I do my research on all candidates and know who I am voting for before I walk in the booth. Most people don't though. Faster voting less lines if people were ready.
Why Welfare rots the fabric of society..
Milton Friedman explains the dynamics of welfare
Let me ask you something important. I will be going to Tuscaloosa to visit my sisters. They are home for the summer. I want to go noodlin' when and what river or lake will have best results?
Agree completely. Only those with no hope and/or ability to provide for themselves (ie in a coma/quadriplegic with no money/immediate family with means) should expect the government to provide a means of sustainment. All other aid should come via charity. I would much rather give my time and money to an organization like Ronald McDonald house, habitat... than to have it forcibly taken from me by the government to waste tons in overhead and potentially spent on things that I disagree with (and are not part of the role of the federal government as defined by the Constitution).
It is an undeniable truth that if you subsidize something you get more of it. Most welfare programs subsidize being lazy. Unemployment (yes you pay some of it via taxes when working), does similar to savings and living in your means.
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