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Why do you say there is enough evidence to believe in George Washington? Were you there? What evidence is there? It's just a bunch of stories written down by men and passed on through hundreds of years. Who knows if we even have the stories right now? How do we know he actually crossed the Delaware river? What evidence is there besides because somebody says so?
Of course I believe all these things, because there is sufficient legal/historical evidence to reasonably think it happened, just like you said. I believe the gospels were written and being circulated by the end of the first century, and if they were full of crap, there were still enough people alive who witnessed the life of Jesus that they would have called them out on it and the writers' stories wouldn't have any validity.
"Quit trying to make a play and do your job!"
Me too. Whether I agree or disagree, I can appreciate somebody's brutal honesty while at the same time being civil.
The point that I believe the other poster was trying to make was regarding the manuscript evidence. Of course GW was a historical figure. I've never met him but the manuscripts evidence for him is very good. It's good enough that we can glean, with a fair amount of certainty, much of who he was, what he said, and what he did. The thing is, the manuscript evidence for Jesus of Nazareth, who lived much earlier than GW, is monumentally better. And, it's supremely better than some of the other figures you mentioned. Rejection of the Biblical Jesus only demonstrates bias, not an understanding of the manuscript evidence or an understanding of literary and source criticism.
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Also some of the changes that took place in the disciples lives. Peter going from being a coward and denying Jesus 3 times to someone who was crucified upside down in the name of Jesus. Paul went from killing Christians to a follower of christ and was beheaded.
The thread title is poorly worded.
Anone who has such a following so many years after his death can undenyably be said to have greatness.
Whether or not anyone believes if what transpired is true, there is some greatness.
Today, I would say more good comes from following his teachings than bad but I cannot say the same for a long number of years when the Crusades occurred, "witches" being burned at the stake, scientists being pursecuted, jailed or executed ... Thankfully those times have past and more good comes from his teachings than bad, with some exceptions.
I like to picture Jesus as a mischievous badger
Not guilty y'all got to feel me
In good company with Ghandi .... who did more to help humanity that just about anyone.
Guess your not familiar with the work of Randy Savage, god rest his soul
Randy Savage and Billy Mays share a room to the right side of God
Now Ghandi is Satan's bitch while murders can be in heaven with Jesus if they feel sorry for their sins and repent ... sucks to be Ghandi.
Speaking of a modern person who was revised for political purposes....
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That awkward moment when someone totally misses your point and tries to argue something you're not arguing ( this goes to the response to me before you too)
The winners re write history with myth to make their history seem grander than it actually was. This has happened within our lifetimes. You don't think it happened thousands of years ago? When education and communication were non existent?
Another good example of how early history of a religion is re written is L Ron Hubbard and Scientology. This is going on as I type this. You think it didn't happen 2000 years ago? These people claim to have super powers, but won't demonstrate it you just have to believe them.
We have actual writings of Washington. Not just people writing down what he may or may not have said, but physical evidence of his writings.
We have multiple artists creating multiple images of Washington, from various points in his life. Those images all have enough similarities that we can recognize what he looked like.
We have writers of the day, from many different places, all whom wrote about Washingtons appearance and character traits. Hundreds more than Jesus of Nazareth.
We have a multiple government and official documents, from French, American, British and other sources, that all mention Washington.
We even have the remains of a body, buried in a clearly marked grave, right there in Mt. Vernon that, if forced to, we could dig up today.
Outside of the four Gospels, there is no direct writings about Jesus. None of his actual writings, if he had any, have survived. No mention of Jesus has been found in any government or official documents from the era. No attempts at any artwork or images of Jesus from that era have been discovered.
So what is this manuscript evidence you speak of?
Yes the "there is more evidence of Jesus than Washington" argument is very strange.
Why is that the academic community in this country has such a hard time identifying with what's in the Bible?
That brings up a solid point. I have always seen Jesus portrayed as a white man with brown hair. Is this what he really looked like? That look doesn't really seem too common in that region. Was this changed by the church? If so, what else was changed by them?
If you're right; how sad for the world.
If you're wrong how horrific for you.
You lose both ways.
...as for me he died for my sins and and gave me hope and life.
The beauty of his love is its not too late for any of us.
And because Auburn men and women believe in these things, I believe in Auburn and love it.
-George Petrie (1945)
So I should believe out of fear? I want more than that. I can't be content with fear-mongering as a learning tool.
There is no downside to being a good Christian. I am a good person too, but I have trouble wrapping my head around the story we are told. I have too many questions. I struggle with the faith part of it.
I can't help that I don't 100% believe. It isn't fun thinking that there may not be an afterlife. It is a sickening feeling if I really dwell on it, but that doesn't make it easier to believe everything about Christianity. I still hope that I run into someone that has the answers for me. Some of the people in this thread have been helpful.
Turning off the doubts in my mind would make everything much easier to process, but this is how I am made.
You should believe because you want to. You know - hope for a better world, faith, and way of seeing things in a different light. Im not one to push it on you but I would suggest that if Catholicism didn't do it for you try Baptist or Methodist. You'll find evedyone is just like you looling for answers. For me it helps me stay focused on doing the right thing by my fellow man thats all; just feeling like trying to love life and make a difference. May no mistake Im no saint and make many mistakes.
Why can't you be kind and good for the sake of being kind and good? Why do you have to get some reward? And if you are doing it out of fear, then you aren't doing it for the right reasons...
The fact that your looking for answers means your on the right path. Best wishes in your quest. The one thing that brings me into focus is to sit out at night away from city lights and wonder in amazment at our Solar System. I see that and I just feel that didnt happen by chance.
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