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How long after Texas secession can we label them a 3rd world country?
9 Months. Thats about how long it will take them to crumble.
I would give it a couple years, but yeah, it'll be a quick decline.
I would love that. Best possible outcome.
Basically, this article lays out the major reasons why Texas would crash and burn if it tried to secede.
Let the South secede. If Texas wants to go, let it -- but make sure it pays us back the billions it took from us first.
Do you honestly think that? Forget about us being on tBB. Serious discussion: I think Texas would do extremely well.
They could establish energy independence, food independence. Fresh water will be a colossal issue for everyone within 25 years but they'd have coastline for de-salinization.
Anyone saying they'd get overrun with liberal minded hispanics is not wise. They'd straight up build a wall and likely make everyone prove English literacy within a year of immigrating or something like that and basically liberal ideas would just be outlawed. Liberals would call that everything shy of a new form of Cuba but it is the way it is.
Thoughts? I am just going to respond to you.
Ok, just saw the link. Would still like to hear your account.
Another well informed voter following the masses of the informed college students that don't even have a clue of what happens after college.
You are at Alabama which makes you a Republican. If you were at Oregon, you'd be a Democrat.
Not speaking just to you, but to all college students.
I'm going to make a radical suggestion. I'm certain it will get flamed. The US needs to pay its elected officials more.
There are really smart people in this country who could do great things on Washington, but most can't be distracted from their own self interests because of the drastic reduction in pay they'd be taking. The president of the United States has a salary of $400,000 per year. Do people not think this job is worth more than that? It is essentially the most important job in the world, and he makes about 1/40th what the worst commissioner in professional sports makes.
Yes, I realize there are ancillary benefits, but I still think the job is not attractive to the right type of leader.
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I think you meant to quote BLF.
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let's all ask the country's best economist, Allen Greenspan, how much he understands economics...
ALAN GREENSPAN: Well, remember that what an ideology is, is a conceptual framework with the way people deal with reality. Everyone has one. You have to -- to exist, you need an ideology. The question is whether it is accurate or not.
And what I'm saying to you is, yes, I found a flaw. I don't know how significant or permanent it is, but I've been very distressed by that fact.
REP. HENRY WAXMAN: You found a flaw in the reality...
ALAN GREENSPAN: Flaw in the model that I perceived is the critical functioning structure that defines how the world works, so to speak.
REP. HENRY WAXMAN: In other words, you found that your view of the world, your ideology, was not right, it was not working?
ALAN GREENSPAN: That is -- precisely. No, that's precisely the reason I was shocked, because I had been going for 40 years or more with very considerable evidence that it was working exceptionally well.
hmmm... so, the country's top economist has a fundamental flaw in his ideology? shooot... well, Al, what was this flaw?
And, Mr. Chairman, I know -- I agree with you in the fact that there were a lot of people who raised issues about problems emerging, but there are always a lot of people raising issues, and half the time they're wrong. And the question is, what do you do?
I mean, you point out quite correctly that the Federal Reserve had as good an economic organization as exists, and I would say, in the world. If all those extraordinarily capable people were unable to foresee the development of this critical problem, which undoubtedly was the cause of the world problem with respect to mortgage-backed securities, I have to -- I think we have to ask ourselves, why is that?
And the answer is that we're not smart enough as people. We just cannot see events that far in advance. And unless we can, it's very difficult to look back and say, why didn't we catch something?
well, damn... that's crazy, Al...
Nah. He wouldn't fit under that category. He would fit into the category of a college student from a prodominanat Republican school that went to a music festival and came back a Democrat.
I was mainly pointing that most college students are dependants and really don't quite understand the cause and effects of politics on the economy and in the business forum.
They are easily swayed to one side or the other based on what they feel is "cool" or based off prejudice notions from friends and family. I for one much like many of my college friends have done complete 180s on our views since the days of fraternity houses and circus traveling days of following the music scene.
so you know...
good ole peter schiff wants you to read this:
Peter Schiff, who accurately predicted the 2008-9 financial crisis, expects artificially low interest rates to exacerbate massive capital imbalances in the financial system that will lead to a bond market collapse.
I agree with most of this.
The cool thing now for college students is to be as liberal as possible, and anyone who is not, is just an ignorant racist. yada yada.
Most of the people that I went to undergrad with that are liberals, don't really understand how the world turns, as they have never had to fend for themselves. When they are in their 30's and have a mortgage, two kids, and a real job, they may understand what I've been trying to tell them for years.
I'm kinda shocked you would endorse Schiff.
not one poster ever listened to what I really believe.
I don't know. I guess I just figured you for a Keynesian.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you were a big supporter of Obama. Just about every economic policy that Schiff believes in, goes completely against the current administration.
no, i did not vote for anything national.
i do not, because i reject both choices.
i am not a keynesian, though i am fiscally moderate in some ways, i am conservative in others.
I do not believe that business should exist without sensible regulation, and that laissez faire policies work in the end.
the hogs line up at the trough for every election, and most supporters of candidates are merely puppets. the wealthiest 1% and the corporations are as much of a problem, or more, than the poor.
funny how what George Washington said in his farewell address has been eating this country alive, and the carpetbaggers profit off of it.
i am more a realist, than anything. i tend to agree with "the economist's" view on Romney, who is a failure waiting to happen, as he would just accelerate the policies of Bernanke...
This argument might work for the legislature, but is unnecessary for president. The presidency is a job after you have made your way at something else before hand. It's not a career in itself. Besides there are plenty of benefits to being president. The only thing that makes the job unattractive is the media.
Sorry for grammar I am on the phone.
I don't know about all that. I think most college students tend to line up with their school for the most part. I used to spend a lot of time dealing with demographics when I was involved in marketing and we usually found that Public State schools everywhere tended to have a higher percentage of conservative voters than the state as we whole. This didn't mean that they were a majority Republican, but that if they were in a red state, they had a higher % of republican voters and if they were in a blue state, they still might be in the minority, but the % of republican voters was still higher than the % for that state.
The opposite was true at most private Universities, even the ones that were religious based. Private schools would have a higher % of liberal voters than the rest of their state regardless of whether is was already a blue state or if it was a red state.
We covered about 300 Univerties with the study (which started in Texas as that was where a campaign that we were hired to run numbers for) across the country and I would say this was true in just under 80% of the cases.
The only states in which it seemed backwards were in South Carolina, Hawaii, Utah, and Florida. Not sure why for South Carolina or Florida, but we understood the difference for Hawaii and Utah.
We began this study in 2005 and the number held true through 2008. Maybe things have changed in 4 years, but I don't see that change happening in that time frame.
I'd think that most liberal arts universities are private schools, so obviously the liberal base is going to be higher there.
Clemson is still considered a conservative school, but with the high percentage of out of state students, I'm not sure it will always be that way.
I guess my point was that in the age group 18-29, there are more liberals (at least more liberals that vote),evidenced by the last two elections.
Maybe the problem isn't the left doesn't understand the economy. Maybe it's that you continue to point out problems and you do little to point out solutions. Instead of helping, you continue to bicker.
The problem isn't that the left doesn't understand economics and the right doesn't understand social issues. It's that both sides have to big of an ego to reach across, help each other understand and fix the problems.
Accusing each other of lack of intelligence or whatever only makes the problem larger. It really does nothing. You're doing the exact thing that JC says (most agree) hurting our country.
I don't disagree with you. Why college students vote the way they do basically balances out. Among non college students, you see it sway very liberal.
Over half the population will change their view from when they are 22 to when they are 30. I have become more liberal the older I get, honestly on a lot of issues. Not enough that I vote a Democratic ticket, but enough that I voted both ways on about half my ballott. I would love to see the Federal Government stay more conservative, but allow for states to become as liberal as they seem fit, if that makes any sense. What's right in Alabama isn't what people in California want and vice versa. My problem is that used to be the Republican party, but now both are trying to yield too much Federal power, IMO.
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