In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 1833
Online now 2629 Record: 18710 (2/25/2012)
We aren't just committed to college football; we're early enrolling in it.
Where the madness isn't just in March.
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
Would have rather played Alabama's schedule than the schedule WVU play this year. No breaks, you play EVERYBODY in the conference. Alabama didn't play UGA, UF or USC. Only counting regular season, of course. Play LSU and A&M and then what? While the SEC might be the best conference, its not the toughest grind for a lot of teams in that conference since they only play about 60% of the conference.
I don't blame that on individual schools, I blame it on the conference being too large and watered down. Meanwhile, WVU played a 9 conference game schedule, and 8 of those teams were bowl eligible.
Conferences are getting too big, and the fans are suffering by missing out on good match ups.
I agree with that 100%
I hate that some years Nebraska is going to play Rutgers and Maryland instead of Ohio State or Wisconsin. Although after this year avoiding those 2 doesn't seem like such a bad idea.
I'm too drunk to read this chicken
PAC-12 has stronger SOS's than the sec on average.
Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken
The major point is that the records are different due to other teams having stronger SOS's than those sec teams.
I agree, and think it is gonna get much much worse.
If you look at how the SEC schedules things just before "big" games it is quite telling:
Florida had the month of Nov to study for FSU game (mizzou, lalafayette, and jax st), and earlier in year they had kentucky before lsu and vandy before south car.
UGA: cupcake city
South Car actually had a tough 3 wk stretch (UGA, LSU, and UF), but wofford before Clemson. (Cupcake before in state rival is a trademark of SEC).
LSU and Alabama had the tougher schedules, with USC there too. The rest of them follow the SEC template of cupcakes...a tough game,....many more cupcakes, tough game, cupcake, cupcake and biggest rival game.
This SEC, as noted by many earlier this season, has 3 good teams and the rest are marginal to bad teams. Of course, the SEC will have good teams and are definitely beatable.
You have to remember, Arkansas was supposed to be a top 10 team this year with an outside shot at the BCS Championship. No one can help that Petrino did what he did, and it destroyed their team this year. Arkansas would have been ranked #8 when they played Bama if they had Petrino. In addition to playing what was "supposed" to be a top 10 team in Arkansas, Alabama played top 10 teams in LSU, Texas A&M, and Georgia, and against preseason top 10 team Michigan. You can only control what's on your schedule and you can't control how your opponent's schedule plays out. And say what you want about Mississippi State, but at the time they were ranked #11 and 7-0. Alabama had to "get up" for them. Then "get up" for LSU. Then "get up" for Texas A&M, all in a row.
Thats fair and probably what I would say too.
M-state would handily beat the Trojans.
Dawgs on Top!
How you going to go 10-2 with Martinez stuck under the bench?
Clemson played NCST the week before playing us, at home. NCST sucks sideways so spare me the "Carolina played a cupcake" crap. Newsflash, we could play Clemson tomorrow and we'd kick their nuts into their throats.
Cupcakes in conference is a trademark of the ACC. Some of the posts in this thread are great. SC just finished playing 3 top 10 teams, and then you are going to talk trash to them for playing a cupcake before they play another top 10 Clemson team....great point, they are total pussies for not putting in another hard game in between those 4 top 10 matchups....
Next year we trade out a cupcake for another ACC team. Will that make you happy?
This post was edited by Bodhi 15 months ago
If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.
I'd disagree with the OP to a degree.
Disclaimer: the SEC is still the best conference, IMO, and I'm not a proponent for a conference. Believe it or not, I root for a team.
"Maybe 1 easy game." No, there is at least one easy game. As has been pointed out, the SEC schedules cupcakes in the middle of the schedule. I think it's smart scheduling and other conferences should do it too - but at the same time, don't pretend like it makes no difference. Plus, I can see three teams in each division that are not very good.
Also, I'm seeing a lot of excuses about the bowl games. "Anything can happen." Just own up to the losses. Every time the SEC did well in bowl games, I heard all about how good coaching shows when there's a month to prepare, about how the brutal SEC schedule prepares those teams with rest for the bowl game. How teams couldn't match the physicality because they're not used to playing in the SEC.
Yes, the schedules are a grind in the SEC and they're tough. But your own conference this year helped dispel the notion that it's beyond what other teams know/experience. Look at Texas A&M. They weren't very good in the Big 12, but went 10-2 in the SEC? Beat the conference champion? Yes, it's a new HC, but he's one from Houston. That's not exactly the SEC.
In general, I agree with the OP. But I think the SEC schedules are a bit easier than he made them out to be, and I think all those "S-E-C" fanboys need to just man up and take the losses.
ftr UGA played 3 top 10 teams this year
Texas A&M is obviously the exception. They would have had the monstrous breakout season regardless of what league they are in. Look at the draft boards and at what is going to be drafted. They had great line play and the only freshmen to ever win a Heisman playing QB. He's a freshmen meaning no one knew about him or expected this season. Texas A&M was pretty close last year, they just didn't break out.
If you are using Texas A&M as an example why not look at Missouri also? They had a winning record the past 7 years in the Big 12. The had overall records of 8-5, 10-3, 8-5, 10-4, 12-2, 8-5, and 7-5. During that time they never had a losing conference record, finishing 5-4, 6-2, 4-4, 5-3, 7-1, 4-4, and 4-4. Their first year in the SEC they were 5-7 and 2-6 in conference.
grasping.. for.. straws... ITT...
Adding Missouri to the discussion is fine. What happened to them was relatively expected. The reason I didn't add them to my post is because if what the SEC fans claim is true, then what aTm did shouldn't happen, regardless of what happened to Missouri.
I absolutely understand and pretty much concur with your points on aTm. However...I'm not sure saying "aTm would have broken out regardless of league," is helping the whole point that the SEC is head and shoulders above. I already said the SEC is the best conference, not disagreeing with that. My point is that the SEC is not necessarily this huge unbeatable grind, as implied by the OP.
Yes, aTm has some very good players. But if this was the beginning of the season and I was arguing that aTm would do really well in the SEC, what would have been the response? "They've never played this kind of brutal schedule before." Well, they played it and did quite well. And the fact that a RS Freshman QB did as well as he did in the SEC doesn't really help the argument for saying the SEC schedule is beyond brutal. It's tough, no doubt, especially relative to other conferences. Just feel like people exaggerate it.
I see your points and they are fair ones, but Manziel being the only freshman to ever win the Heisman kinda balances that out. Did I expect Texas A&M to come in and win 10 games in year one of the SEC? Absolutely not. I don't know anyone who did. But with what we now know about Manziel and the A&M lines I do not think it is a stretch to think they would win 10 games in the Big 12, B1G, PAC 12, or ACC. Which 3 teams in any league are better than A&M? I don't think there is one league that has 3 or more teams better than A&M.
This post was edited by SkullyMaroo 15 months ago
That's kind of my point, though. A redshirt freshman QB should not be able to win the Heisman going against SEC defenses for the first time, wouldn't you say? Especially with a coach who previously had been at Houston.
I can get on board with your last point. But that still puts the SEC about on par with other conferences, rather than 20 strokes ahead of the field.
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports