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So, what do you think he'd do if Michigan pulled his scholarship? Just give me your best guess
That is my guess as to why Hoke has his no visit policy. He wants kids to know the meaning of the word "commitment" and he wants them to take their time, weighing every option before committing.
We don't pull the scholarship unless they go behind the coaches back i.e. David Dawson. Just stop trolling.
This post was edited by Rabid 15 months ago
It's a moot point because Michigan won't pull his scholly offer, BUT I'm sure that he would just go somewhere else without any problem whatsoever. Hell I hope they pull his scholly offer. I hope that Hoke makes it easy for us.
I'm not knocking the kid in particular when I was stating my opinions earlier. It was more of a generalization. I just don't understand why the kids commit somewhere when they full well know that they want to take more visits, which I don't blame them. I would take all five if I was a kid. I just wonder why they don't wait until they take them all before committing.
Don't get it twisted. Saban doesn't like his commits taking visits to other schools either. He tells the kids that they shouldn't commit if they aren't 100% sure. I suppose he's just learned that kids are kids and will either change their minds, or want to be back in the spotlight around this time.
I don't think Hoke is going to pull his offer because of having prior knowledge of this.
But, we'll see what happens after the visit and hear from the Poggi's. If it was indeed a OV or just a trip to hangout and visit an old teammate.
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Some kids don't have that luxury. Only a few prospects are good enough as to where a coach will save his spot until NSD no matter what. Some kids commit to hold their spot bc a lot of coaches put the pressure on them. Either you're in or we're moving on.
And then other kids know where they wanna go and commit there but just wanna enjoy the process and live like kings and get laid so they take their visits.
Recruiting is out of control. The process has been accelerated. And these kids have inflated egos due to the increased amount of early attention we give them. CFB needs an early signing period.
He wouldn't if Bama was full. In that case, he'd end up stuck at some third rate program like MSU through no fault of his own. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 15 months ago
I can see that point of view as well. I'm not saying that I have the answers for sure. I'm not sure anyone really does at this point. TBH, it's people like us and sites like these that we love so much that makes it even worse. It's people like us that turn these kids into rockstars before they have done a damn thing. It's only going to get worse I'm afraid.
Last we heard, Hoke doesn't actually have a no visit policy when Dawson recommitted..
Now you are saying there is a no visit policy
No Michigan State fan should be making fun of, or commenting period, on how other coaches deal with recruiting.
I have never heard of such a hypocrite in my life when it comes to recruiting outside of maybe Bielema. As long as it favors them, all is good in the hood. God forbid they lose a recruiting battle though. They bitch more than my pregnant girlfriend when her feet are barking like dogs.
He was considered a commitment when he visited ... news to me.
Spot could have gotten filled and he would not have been able to recommit.
You all have been getting your arse beat 4 of the last 5 vs that third rate program. But you did kick that last second field goal against a 6-6 team this year to announce your return to glory. (Return?) What was the signature win this year for michigan? A close loss to South Carolina? I remember Weiss turned a loss against USC to his greatest victory ever at ND. We'll have to consider the last second field goal vs. MSU or the loss against South Carolina as your greatest victory this year.
And Saban would find a 31st schollie for Poggi and I just bet he'd take it.
Well done here. You've set up a possibility of Hoke keeping the offer because of prior knowledge, you've left yourself an out about a "friendly visit". You've covered both. Woodson has set himself up with almost the same thing. He's ready to throw him under the bus however, he might not if he signs with Michigan. He's covered his bases like a pro.
Bama has a pipeline from Maryland. Poggi is next.
I firmly believe all great athletes should take all their visits. They deserve them. If a kid says to a coach, "hey, I love it here, I really want to come here, but you have to understand I want to see other places and take my visits." the staff has an option to offer him or not. If they don't offer, they risk the kid getting and accepting from another place. If they do offer, they have no business telling him not to go anywhere else. Don't offer. Kids who don't have the best council make mistakes. If they verbalize their intentions, and put the onus on the school to either offer with visits allowed, or take the chance the kid gets offered elsewhere, it would be easier on the student athlete.
I've never seen as much discussion about a run of the mill defensive lineman in my entire life. To quote Judge Smails, "don't you have homes?"
Standing on a hill in my mountain of dreams,
Telling myself it's not as hard as it seems - Led Zeppelin
I can agree with that.
Thing is that most kids (I would say 90%) don't come out and put it out there that way. Now there are a few that do, but most don't. If kid says that I am committed to your school but I am still going to take my visits, and says that straight to the coaches face, then more power to him. I can do nothing but respect that.
Hell it isn't unheard of for coaches to actually want kids to take visits to other schools after they are committed to get in the ears of other kids on their visits. One player that comes to mind is Julio Jones. Oklahoma kicked him off their campus during his visit for recruiting for Bama while he was there.
As long as it's up front and understood between the player and coach, I have no issue with that whatsoever.
We could always go back to talking about Manti Te'o and whether or not he lied about his girlfriend and whether or not he's a homosexual.
The automatic pulling of the offer is just made up. It could lead to loss of offer depending on the situation.
This would be the first time a player has taken an official visit and not lost his commitment.
Loss of commitment does not mean loss of offer.
Does this help clear it up for you?
This post was edited by MichRedWingFan7 15 months ago
Because these coaches are damn good salesmen. Hard sell too. Ever go on a free trip and all you had t do was listen to a sales pitch? Shot my wife had us in two timeshares and she has advanced degrees. These kids are vulnerable and yes preyed upon. It's very hard on these kids who are often naive and don't get the best council. It's very tough.
I don't know, I hate the recruiting part of college. High expectations are put on kids coming in that aren't fair. Michigans qb they have coming in is damn good but also a great person I suspect he'll do well but lord you listen to some of the slappies they have Joe Namith expectations for him. It's a crappy business. I know it's necessary.
You know I'm only having fun with this. I also bet pigging has been up front with everyone.
I had a feeling you are but not everyone does. The misconception of the no visit policy was fun at first but now it is getting annoying with everyone believing the ones who are making fun/have no idea.
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