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how about you go on espn or cnn or any other site and read them... basically the top guys were going to go to the authorities, after talking to joe they decided not to and to only talk to sandusky.
Pic Sigs are for losers.
New emails have come out lately that suggest he knew about it and wanted to downplay it for Sandusky.
BTW I think all of the PSU fans have been pretty good about all of this. Most of them know that their people in charge failed them. They defended JoePa on what they knew as facts. Most fans would protect a beloved member of their school until facts came out.
Will thier board take down thier 709 badges that honor Joe?
In memory of Tusks.
I've read the ESPN story. First, the emails appear to be only among Schultz, Curley and Spanier. Paterno was not included. If Paterno was intimately involved and directing the cover-up, why wasn't he part of the email group? Second, nothing in the emails contradict anything Paterno said under oath in his grand jury testimony. He said he spoke with Curley on the phone on the Saturday that Mike McQueary reported the shower incident to him. He said he then went to Curley's home the next day (Sunday) to discuss it further. And he said he spoke with Curley again a week or so later as a follow up. What is wrong with that? How is that unusual or unexpected or criminal? I would be shocked if he didn't discuss it with Curley. And we didn't need these emails to know all this. Paterno admitted to these discussions with Curley under oath.
I'm an attorney, which means I tend to focus on facts. It doesn't matter what you believe to be true based on personal assumptions or gut feelings. It only matters what you can prove. These emails hardly prove Paterno was directing a cover up. They actually confirm his testimony to the grand jury that he spoke to Curley three times. I'm not saying Paterno wasn't involved in the cover-up, just that these emails don't prove he was.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 22 months ago
You cannot possibly be serious.
When the plan is to speak with Sandusky, inform Second Mile, and report to the Department of Welfare and things change the next day AFTER Paterno is consulted, its clear he was instrumental in hiding it.
Go read the reports. The term smoking gun fits perfectly. He was covering his old ass.
From Yahoo! Sports: The late Penn State coach seemingly participated with school officials in failing to report Jerry Sandusky's criminal acts.
For the record, it appears that ESPN has edited the report since it was initially posted and removed the quotes about Paterno being consulted after the plan was decided upon.
Saying the emails "suggest" something is very different than saying they "prove" something. Curley and Schultz gave testimony to the grand jury. For all I know, one or both testified at Sandusky's trial. Is there anything in their testimony where they say JoePa told them not to go to the authorities? Or even that he asked or encouraged them not to do so? Paterno was in his mid 80s. He could barely keep on top of what was going on with the football program week to week. And the allegations involved an assistant coach who had retired 10 years earlier. It seems very reasonable that, as he said, he reported the matter to superiors who he thought would fully investigate it and handle it properly based on the outcome of the investigation. Clearly that wasn't enough. JoePa publicly said, in hindsight, he wished he did more. But that's a huge difference from saying he knew what was going on for years and actively worked to cover it up.
Just because you can't prove something doesn't mean it didn't happen. JoePa isn't being arrested or anything like that.
Read the article I linked.
Curley clearly states that he spoke with Joe and is hesitant to include anyone else as previously planned. Why the hell would be change his mind after speaking with Paterno if Paterno was all for taking the report to the authorities?
Come on, you cannot be that daft.
I just read the Yahoo story you linked. That is a slightly different version of events than the ESPN version, but more importantly two thirds of it is just Dan Wetzel throwing out suppositions and opinions. He literally writes that JoePa was the person that caused the group to not go to the authorities. There is no evidence of that. In fact, if that were the case, why doesn't the email say that?
Just to be clear, I am not saying Paterno was not involved. I am simply saying we don't yet have all the facts. The Freeh report is due to come out next month. And Schultz and Curley have yet to go to trial for perjury. Maybe evidence of Paterno's actual involvement in the cover up will come out as part of those. But without more than just this set of emails, it's a pretty big leap in logic to conclude Paterno was driving the bus here.
No, it doesn't. But we we need to be honest about what we know as fact and what we are simply assuming to be true. Much of what I see people throwing around as fact is merely opinion and supposition.
I'm surprised by you
It is the court of public opinion.
If you tear down the statue; do you tear down Paterno Library as well?
And people saying kick PSU out of the NCAA. Great idea! Let's get rid of one of the few schools that actually graduates its players! That will show 'em!
What we know as FACT:
1. McQueary reported what he saw to Paterno.
2. Paterno reported what he was told.
3. McQueary spoke with school officials higher up.
4. Spanier, Schultz, and Curley emailed about the proper action and decided what they would do.
5. Curley discussed their decision with Paterno (as stated in the email sent the following night)
6. (This is the big one) Curley suggests a new plan of just taking their knowledge to Sandusky and leaving everyone else out of it. The quote, IIRC, was "After speaking with Joe, I am uncomfortable involving (maybe including) anyone else at this time." ~~~wtf?!
Sooooo, where are you getting lost? They were going to do the right thing (late, yes) until Curley consulted Paterno. Sure it's supposition but it certainly isn't far fetched to think Paterno "suggested" to his little puppet that they not proceed as previously planned.
They should have a memorial made for the victims as a reminder to never let this happen again
Not guilty y'all got to feel me
You are assuming causation. I don't know what caused Curley to have second thoughts, but one way to find out is to ask him. And Schultz and Spanier. Maybe Curley asked Paterno to recite again the version of the incident McQueary had told him and he became uncomfortable because the three versions McQueary had told him, Schultz and Paterno didn't match up. Or maybe something else caused Curley to hesitate going to the authorities. You can't just assume it was a directive from Paterno. Well, you can, but that's all it is ... an assumption.
Of course we are assuming causation. Yes, we can assume it was a directive from Paterno. It's the most reasoned position to take.
This post was edited by devidee 22 months ago
no you rename it for an honorable person... don't be dumb
Yup they called paterno with the idea of going to the cops and then after he was telling them how he completely agreed they changed their mind.
You do realize that Paterno was the one who donated the money to build the library...right?
It's best to know what you're talking about to avoid looking like an idiot.
This post was edited by MSJ56 22 months ago
An athletic facility in the Midwest bears my grandfathers name and if this kind of garbage came out about him, I would want it renamed. Just because someone can afford to donate does not mean they should be admired or bestowed with such an honor.
My point is that Joe was not perfect. He used poor judgement regarding Sandusky and his reputation will be hurt. But you don't throw out all the good things he did too.
By your logic I guess we should tear down all WWII memorials because of the soldiers that raped civilians on the Japanese islands.
You consider covering up child rape as simply poor judgement?
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