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weagle - I don't dismiss any part of the Bible and would be happy to answer any question you may have.
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What about luke 19:27? Or Luke 14:26?
You're a non-believer so that's encouraging. You should hate my arguments. The fact you like what some of these Christians are saying is an indictment on their message. "They'll hate you on account of me"
That's the fruit of Joel Osteen, lost people file in and leave saying what a wonderful preacher he is. He makes no war with the flesh.
This post was edited by fsufsu 23 months ago
Amongst the Christians I've bantered with in this thread, do a historical perspective research on your positions. Many of them have arisen in the last 50 years. Osteen would have been eaten alive if this were simply the 1940s. Listen to some Tozer and Spurgeon. Reading only people who are alive and make money selling books in a post-modern culture is an obviously dangerous idea.
It's like the issue of "sexism" in the scriptures. It wasn't until the last 75 years did people try and paint Pauline teachings on gender roles as either "Sexist" or "Oh that's just Paul adding his opinion". It arose with feminism which is an a front to God. Yet for some reason they don't recognize what is the world and therefore are conformed to it.
What role should women have as church leaders? May they be preachers, elders, deacons? Must they submit to authority of men, or may the preach and teach with equality?
Pretty sure that's what Al Qaieda said, bro.
Good question. Let's start with Luke14:26. The context is Jesus talking to those who want to commit themselves to full time discipleship. Jesus knew that the cost of following Him, as a disciple, was a heavy one indeed. He knew that His followers would be greatly persecuted, and some even killed. Read the verses following our text at hand and see that He wanted them to weigh the cost and make sure they were ready to commit themselves wholly to such a wonderful, yet difficult task. As a student of ancient greek I can tell you definitively that the word Jesus used, often translated in the English as "hate," was not a word of emotion or feeling. The greek language in very complex and deep and often the English doesn't have a close cognate to confer the true meaning inended. Rather, the word is one of comparison. What Jesus was saying is that their devotion to Him must be much more than their devotion to their families or their worldly endeavors
Luke 19:27 is simpler. The "enemies" that Jesus speaks of are simply those who refuse to recognize God as their Creator and Master. Their natural fate is one of death.
Hope this helps.
This post was edited by goodnews 23 months ago
it absolutely does !!! thanks +
weagle - are you satisfied with my explanation? Any more questions?
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