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No, because the rate you are proposing is almost $4000 a month per person. Are you crazy? I don't know why you're talking about the rate you and I would pay. No one would pay that to stay at The Whitney. It was a negotiated rate that came out to be 450 a month per person, which is available to other NON-athletes. The only way they are going to fill those rooms is negotiated their rates. I guess the NCAA figured they should have been paying 1700 a person. That's reasonable, right? Don't answer that, because I'm sure you would actually agree.
haha the south carolina fans calling me a troll....how am I possibly trolling? I haven't mentioned one thing negative besides the violations they committed. Again, its not my fault they broke the rules and its something I wanted peoples opinions about. If you don't like the truth or are in denial then don't read or comment or be so sensitive.
Nothing was swept under the rug. Not to mention you need to get your facts straight. Give it a rest!
That was copied and pasted from the letter the NCAA sent SC....I didn't write any of that.
Please tell me what facts I used that were incorrect. All I used was the LETTER sent to SC from the NCAA
You're asking for everyone's opinions on what the NCAA said, but when we're telling you why their findings look ridiculous, all you do is copy-and-paste the exact points we are contesting. If you don't want to consider the opinion's of the accused, then don't ask for everyone's opinion.
I realize where that came from, but you are apparently agreeing that those numbers are appropriate and you are proposing that if we payed a certain rate how much worse it would look.. No one in their rate mind would pay that rate.
The rooms are going for 126 a night....if you did the math that would equate to over 100k in impermissible benefits...the NCAA only said USC players received 47,000 in impermissible benefits so obviously they already took that into account. Secondly, the NCAA is charging USC for multiple sports and this whole thing is based on 2 separate violations 1.)Whitney Hotel and 2.) the SAM foundation which the NCAA already knows that they were giving kids more benefits.
The response detailed both Lahn and Gordon’s affiliation with South Carolina. Lahn has given $190,529.80 to the university, and he is also a football season ticket holder, member of the Gamecock Club, member of the University’s Alumni Association Board of Governors, and president of his local South Carolina alumni chapter.
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They've already demoted their compliance officer and admitted making violations and self imposed sanctions... They also already hired the guy that helped OSU....how are you in that much denial?
I realize that the NCAA took into account what the usual rate was, but they still came out 56 dollars a night. That is still a 3300 dollar apartment a month! That is still a ridiculous rate that they figured, wouldn't you agree. Do you think any crappy 2 bedroom apartments in Columbia are going for $3300 a month. You would be hard pressed to find any crappy four bedrooms going for that. Again, $15 rates are also available for students that don't play sports, which the NCAA is ignoring.
I'm ignoring the SAM stuff, because I don't know enough about that stuff to talk except that we have signed exactly one player who has come through it whereas UF and PSU have signed as many or more than us.
3 year probation and tv ban
Vacating and Bowl Ban is coming to.South Carolina has not disputed that it committed major rules violations. It could be two or three months before it gets a final decision from the NCAA. They just met with the committee last week.
So in reality you didnt want anyone elses opinion.
Like I said...sooooooo cute.
It's a Giraffe!!!
No I did...the SC fans just got really sensitive calling me a troll and I was just providing facts...
If there were so many "facts" in that LOI why would they allow any University to state their case? Why not just say this is what we found and here are your sanctions?
What is rather entertaining in Universities and colleges is that individuals like yourself are allowed to recruit kids to their institutions for academic purposes, but should athletics become involved then it's a whole different ball game.
The truth hurts!! I know, I'm a Buckeye fan!!
no dog in this fight, but a couple common sense points.
"Somehow the NCAA decided that a normal rate for a stay of this length was $56 a night. So the improper benefit was the difference between $56 and $14.59 or $41.30 a night multiplied by the number of nights the football players stayed there, around 1140 nights total."
that sentence right there give anyone with common sense that this wasn't a normal hotel. over 3 year stay? who they hell would stay at a hotel for 3 years (besides nikola tesla)?
sounds more like an apartment than a hotel. and at $56/night totaling to about $1680/month, that's an expensive apartment for students.
however, at $15/night, that's only about $450/month, which is pretty normal for a small, student apartment.
now, the question is if these were only offered to athletes or to all students. but the rates don't seem unreasonable at all.
This post was edited by theharbinater 2 years ago
Thank you for reasonably looking at those numbers. Idk if you read my posts, but that is exactly what I've been saying the whole time. These rates we negotiated to a reasonable number for long term stay and the rate is also available to other students as well. It looks terrible when you read the original NOA, because $50000 in extra benefits is a lot. But, I would think most people would be able to reason that the NCAA grossly exaggerated what these rooms were worth considering the length of time they would be occupied. It was essentially treated as an apartment and this hotel does this with athletes and non-athletes alike.
Every team is allowed to respond....this isn't a dictatorship (completely) but every school is allowed to self impose sanctions and fight the accusations. South Carolina has taken some major steps in demoting their compliance offer and offering to pay fines and self imposed sanctions (which were weak) either way the NCAA said SC players received $47,000 in impermissible benefits...that is FACT.
Prepare for a ton of downvotes. Probably already linked on TBS.
Also, a lot of great information in the attached thread. You're welcome in advance.
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I could care less.....I didn't create this nor do I care about South Carolina. I just thought it was an interesting topic....I didn't know SC fans would get so mad and sensitive.
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