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Haha, jealous Mr. Stoops?
Bob Stoops thinks the tales of SEC dominance are ‘propaganda’
Oklahoma's Bob Stoops is a great coach and seemingly a good man, so we hate to have to vehemently disagree with him for a second time this offseason.
In a column by the Tulsa World, Stoops claims that the SEC isn't as dominant and everyone says it is. If you watch enough SEC games you realize that's an incorrect statement, but Stoops went on. His reasoning was that the very best teams are elite, but the entire conference is not.
"So they've had the best team in college football," Stoops said, according to the Tulsa World. "They haven't had the whole conference. Because, again, half of 'em haven't done much at all. I'm just asking you. You tell me."
That reasoning is pretty faulty.
Here's Stoops' long quote on why the SEC isn't really all that, from the Tulsa World:
"So you're listening to a lot of propaganda that gets fed out to you," he said. "You're more than smart enough to figure it out. Again, you can look at the top two, three, four, five, six teams, and you can look at the bottom six, seven, eight, whatever they are. How well are they all doing?
"What'd we (the Big 12) have, eight of 10 teams in bowl games this year? Again, you figure it all out."
This comes down to a pretty simple math problem. For all SEC games, there has to be a .500 record at the end. If Alabama, Texas A&M, Florida, South Carolina, LSU and Georgia are all among the top 10 or so strongest teams in the nation, as they were last year, and Vanderbilt, Mississippi State and Ole Miss get into bowl games, as they did, some teams are eating a lot of losses. No, coach, the entire conference can't be good at once. It's mathematically impossible.
There were five SEC teams that didn't go to a bowl game last year. They are ...
• Missouri, which went to seven straight bowl games its final seven years in the Big 12. Its first SEC season, it went 5-7 and missed out. That seems relevant to the conversation.
• Tennessee, which has been to 49 bowl games, from 1981-2010 missed qualifying for a bowl just three times and won a national championship at the end of the 1998 season. Yes, Derek Dooley struggled in a tough conference and was fired, but is Tennessee really the doormat Stoops is talking about?
• Auburn, which won a national championship 28 months ago.
• Arkansas, which was ranked 12th at the end of the 2010 season, fifth at the end of the 2011 season and probably would have been at least top five in the 2012 preseason poll (the Razorbacks were 10th) had it not been for the Bobby Petrino fiasco. They struggled mightily last season, but there were decent reasons why. And again, with six of the best teams in the nation at top of the conference, someone has to lose.
• Kentucky, which is kind of a basketball school. The Wildcats don't care much about football. Stoops should recognize schools like this, considering he plays in the same conference as Kansas.
So that's your list of also-rans that Stoops thinks drags down the SEC. A couple relatively recent national champions, a perennial bowl team when it was in the Big 12, a team that is one season removed from being ranked fifth in the nation, and the 2012 national basketball champions.
Stoops apparently thinks other conference's doormats are far better than that. Did Indiana win a national title a few years ago? Has Duke played in 49 bowl games? Again, when you play in a conference which is so good at the top, the bottom has to lose some games. The SEC has to end up with a cumulative .500 record in conference games. Simple math. And we haven't even gotten into the national championships streak or the NFL draft record the SEC just set. Stoops at least owns up to the fact that's legitimate. He should know, considering Texas A&M blasted his team in the Cotton Bowl this past January. The rest of Stoops' argument is wrong, but at least he's correct on that elite teams part of it.
We're not picking on Stoops. He's a great coach with a great program. He has one of the few programs that could go to the SEC and compete every year. That's the best compliment we can give him
Danielle Hunter, Jamario Rasco, Anthony FREAK Johnson.. DL wrecking crew of 2013.
I'm sure the recruits are the ones spreading the "propaganda" he is hearing.
Big Game Bob?
Some time in early Dec Bob should ask his brother about the SEC propaganda and see what he thinks of his theory that the league isn't as good as some think.
After receiving the pink sock treatment for an entire season he should have a pretty good idea of what life is like on the SEC.
Stoops is as Stoops does
I hate the man but you're a blind sec homer if you can't see what he is saying is true.
ESPN is the modern day equivelant of the leaflet drop flyover
Has a Conference ever won 7 Titles in a row before, with 4 different teams winning at least 1?
Nope. Also, I bet Boob Stoops wasn't thinking overrated when the 5th place SEC team was gang raping his Sooners in the Cotton Bowl.
The last Big 12 team to win a Cotton Bowl was in 2008 but is now in the SEC. Before that, you have to go back a decade to find the last Big 12 win. Most, if not all of those recent losses were 2nd place Big 12 teams against 3rd+ ranked SEC teams.
The only legit point he made was that the lower teams can suck as bad as other conference lower teams. I'm not sure what that proves though.
I think that was the only point he was trying to make.
Ask Ohio State and ND if the SEC is overrated..
Also def butthurt b/c he is 0-2 against the SEC in BCS Champ games..
Remember when stoops dominated an SEC team in the cotton bowl this year?
The bottom of the conference isn't that bad. Of course teams have losing records because by default someone has to lose games. The bottom usually represents well in bowl games.
Vandy went 9-3 last year and beat NC State and Wake
Ole Miss throttled Pitt
Kentucky stunk last year but have bowl wins against FSU and Clemson in recent years
Miss St killed Michigan in a bowl game a few years back
You can find bad teams in every conference
I know. I'm sick of hearing how the BEST team in the SEC is over rated.
I think the bottom of the conference is overrated. But the top half is pretty ridiculous and the top few teams are obviously some of the best in the country.
Ask Pitt as well when they faced Ole piss..
Bowl records and out of conference games indicate that Stoops is full of ish.
Are you an idiot or do you just play one on TV? In the 2003 Cotton bowl I watched Texas demolish a Saban-coached LSU team. The year before Oklahoma beat Arkansas. The year before that Kansas State waxed Tennessee. The team responsible for two of those blowout losses now plays in the SEC.
Maybe I should ask Northwestern about MSU
Have to go back 10 years to make your point... reaching much?
Great post IMO
That's what everyone is saying I believe. But jsmoothe will have me surveying Georgia southern here in a few for their opinion on Bama
The bottom of every conference blows and means nothing you're just debating which team sucks the least not which is better. SEC teams from 1-6 are by far better than any other conference..
So the 5th best team in the Big Ten beat the 8th best team in the SEC... Congrats?
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